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    05-06-2010, 02:02 PM

A slightly Roman nose,
A big broad butt
A short straight mane
A deep wide chest - your feet don't hang below the belly line
Fairly closely coupled ( I can't really see from the photo)
Clean heels - no feather
Goes 'on the bit'
A good jumper
And a kind temperament

Sounds like an Irish Cob Cross to me
Look up the Irish Draught (not draft) Horse Society website for the breed description. Your fellow might have something in his genes - it is common for ID stallions to be put to other breeds to produce either a hunter type or a Sports Horse type.

Whatever his breeding he is a good looking Boy.

Ask him if he likes Guinness, then you will know for sure if he is Irish.

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    05-06-2010, 04:24 PM
Wow okay took some time to understand. Could You explayn "goes 'on the bit'"? (not a native speaker. Sorry).
I can't say there is no Irish line in him. His mother was purebreed Tori (toric horse) (old tipe, so draft). When they were firstly bred some Irish Draught were used so that makes the similarity.
Because the fact that Holsteins are used to improve this breed Late is registrated as sport tipe Tori.

He's full pedigree is up in here now Sukuposti.net
    05-06-2010, 05:11 PM
Artemis. Look up 'ramener' in Wikipedia
This word describes the shape of the horse's head and neck when on the bit - the horse 'face' is perpendicular to the ground and the neck will be bent round at the poll.

This brings the horse's spine up into a curved outline which adds strength to the horse's back.

The horse's power comes from its hind legs not its front legs - in order to move
Forwards it has to lift its front legs off the ground.

As an exercise , drop down on the floor and walk on your hands and knees - you;ll get the idea quickly enough
    05-06-2010, 05:24 PM
Artemis, yes a cross of Irish Draught and Holstein might well produce a horse like your fellow.

The Irish Draught was used in Ireland as an all round farm horse. It pulled the plough, it pulled the cart and it took the farmer to market. During the First World War the stock of horses was badly depleted and most of the horses taken to war never returned. So they got together after the war to improve the breed.

The Irish are a horse loving nation and they breed not only Thorobreds to race but IDs to give them more bone. IDs bred with TBs make excellent hunters and three day eventers. Watch the Grand National horse race on the Internet - it is often won by an Irish horse.

My own horse is a dapple grey ID X Connemara mare. Look on my photo albums

Sorry I don't know much about Holsteins - not many of them are to be found in Britain.

Barry G
    05-06-2010, 07:12 PM
Looking on the map at where you live and comparing it with the West Coast of Ireland then you are over in the Eastern half of Europe and Ireland is a long way away on the extreme Western edge. However in two world wars horses were used significantly by the armies involved on both sides of the conflict which might account for horses being moved over such a distance.

Irish horses have been exported around the world for a long time. It is feasible that they have been shipped to Eastern Europe but equally it is possible that horses from Eastern Europe have been shipped to Ireland.

But does the name of the breed matter really? The Irish certainly judge a horse's quality by the look of the animal not by the names on the horse's passport.

The photos of your horse suggest it is of good quality whatever its breeding.
You are lucky to own him.

What I am becoming aware of is the high quality of horse to be found in Eastern Europe. A young Lithuanian woman - WIKTORIJA has posted on this forum some outstanding photos of horses in Lithuania.
I suggest you look up her threads and see for yourself.

My guess is that in years to come you guys will be selling such horses to the British. It doesn't matter if the horses can't speak English.

Barry G
    05-06-2010, 07:13 PM
Green Broke
I'm going to go with Clyde X Thoroughbred.
    05-07-2010, 05:33 AM
One reason why personally I don't think this lovely horse has Clydesdale blood is the absence of feather. Of course the hair may have been trimmed. Equally I now question my earlier thinking that this chap has Irish Draught blood - Estonia is a long way from Ireland.

But when one considers where this horse lives - at the Eastern end of the Baltic sea then what can we say with authority? Eastern Baltic states were separated from Western Europe for much of the twentieth century during which there were two major wars and one long cold war. The Germans in the 1940s used horses for transport and later the Russians would have brought theirs. Two Armies fought over this region many bitter battles. Horses were used not just because of the lack of road infrastructure but also because of the problems of supplying fuel.

What is apparent is that as those countries which once formed part of the Greater Soviet Union become richer - as they most surely must - we can expect to see their horses on the international scene. Wiktorija's photos illustrate that there are some magnificent horses in Eastern Europe which incidentally includes Western Russia.

Personally I have met with only one east European horse in my riding career but I must say that he was a beautiful creature. I never got to ride him but I would have loved to see someone who knew him, show him off. All I remember nowadays was his presence. The market in Britain at the moment for horses is not good. But in a few years time I can see someone making a business of importing horses to Britain (and probably to the USA) - despite the fact that we Brits already have a wealth of horse flesh in the UK.

But isn' t nice that riders from Eastern Europe feel free to post on this Forum?

Barry G
    05-07-2010, 11:22 AM
Green Broke
My 3/4 TB 1/4 Shire has never had feathers.
    05-07-2010, 03:22 PM
But isn' t nice that riders from Eastern Europe feel free to post on this Forum?
I have to say thank You. It is really nice to see that there are people who now that Estonia is indipendant and is not a part of Russia as I get a lot.
I can't say I understand everything. There are things that are uncommon for me. I have learned English for 9 years (only at school) but reading forums or other websites helps a lot and as I plan to work somewhere in Europe this summer I need to have some practice.

What I am becoming aware of is the high quality of horse to be found in Eastern Europe.
If names A Picachu de Muze (also known as Pikap) and A Big Boy tell someone something that's a start. They were not born in Estonia but both were trained in here. I can't say how sad I was when they decided to sell A Big Boy. He could have made it to the Olympics with his rider which would have been first time in our history.

I wouldn't say that it's all about the breed. I train at the center where there are mostly young horses who are sold at some point.
The way the riders (from age 9-35) respect the horses and how friendly the environment is around there is amazing for me.
Some people find it hard to believe that non of the horses in our center has never seen spurs. Never! The only aids we use are ropes, halters, whips (long and short) and sometimes martingales plus the usual tack. All the horses are out all year round (except cold winter nights) and there has never been a problem caching them.
I have seen children being scared of horses but never in our stable.
The girl in the picture is 11 y/o. Used to ride ponys. Never done anything like this before. We have so called "Horse day" in summer when we preform with our horses and when she was offered to do something like that (I only now the word in Estonian) she agreed at once. She had never ride this horse before but they worked out amazingly.
All the new owners only say good things about the horses we have sold so maybe one day there could be a Tori horse or Estonian native pony somewhere in the Southern Europe
    05-07-2010, 04:59 PM
Nice to have you aboard.

"There are things uncommon to me" read: "there are things 'new' to me".

Your English writing contains a few minor errors but everyone on this forum will
Understand your writing. Just keep posting.

The horse 'Kadi' looks a powerful beast - yet again, he could easily be sold as an
Irish Draught.


Barry G

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