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post #1 of 11 Old 05-21-2011, 08:57 PM Thread Starter
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What breed would you recommend?

I am thinking of breeding my mare, and I am looking to make a great dressage horse (hoping, of course, that I might ride to the Grand Prix level).

I am wondering what breed might cross the best with my mare. She is half Thoroughbred, and it definately shows - there is little Hanoverian from her sire in her. She has a long, gorgeous stride, and floats in her extension. The only fault I might find in movement is that she has a difficult time collecting (the Thoroughbred come into play), thus making it more difficult for her to go past the 1st or 2nd levels (although I'm currently doing Training Level with her).

So I was thinking that perhaps breeding her to a very collected breed, like a Saddlebred. My concern there, though, would be that the foal would have a more difficult time cantering, as some high-trotting horses do...

What do you think? I've attached photos of my mare (the one being ridden. It is an older picture, and not me riding), and an American Saddlebred/Arabian stallion who I find quite beautiful (although is he right?).

Can't wait to hear what you have to say.
~Tazhia

PS: My mare is in her prime for breeding; she was bred in 2007, so it wouldn't be her first time, and she is still only 11 (turning 12 in July).
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post #2 of 11 Old 05-21-2011, 09:05 PM
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That stud's neck looks waaaaay too long, his back as well imo, but then again i'm not an expert on the American Saddlebred, even though he is a cross. Idk something just looks "off" about him.
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American Saddlebred's are known for their long neck - that's why they are used in saddleseat and showmanship competitions.

I attached one of him while being ridden.
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If dressage specifically is your goal, your looking in the entirely wrong direction.

First what "little Hanoverian" is in your mare". Specifically what line ( sire's name ).

Gaited horses are NOT the direction to look at.
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I've shown saddle- type horses all my life and that stallion is BEAUTIFUL!!! ( though I have no experience in dressage only saddleseat) I ve also had a couple Big Lick Walkers. She would mix well with a "more" forward moving horse. But it truly depends on the foal's training. Sometimes they're winners then other times, they 're ... Uhm. ( if you know what i mean!) personally never met a horse that couldn't be trained to canter, it might have taken 3 solid weeks! But it happened! Hope you have luck!
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If dressage specifically is your goal, your looking in the entirely wrong direction.

First what "little Hanoverian" is in your mare". Specifically what line ( sire's name ).

Gaited horses are NOT the direction to look at.
National Show Horses (ASB x Arab) are not gaited.
But if you were to want to breed to an Arab/NSH/ASB/Morgan/etc, if it is not already sport trained, you want to see that the foals have been successful in Dressage. It's an easier bet to look for a sport horse stallion versus having to comb through the offspring of a saddleseat horse to see if he can produce sport type..

Honestly though I think it might be best to cross her back onto a Warmblood..
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National Show Horses (ASB x Arab) are not gaited.

Honestly though I think it might be best to cross her back onto a Warmblood..

Saddlebreds are among the group of breeds are are considered gaited as they can also do the rack and slow amble. I simple would NOT introduce ANY BREED that does not have only three PURE gaits within the mixture, no matter how far back it may be.

Her best bet is a warmblood. Bred for dressage and successful in that discipline.
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Sorry to bring this back up, BUT Saddlebreds are not considered "Naturally Gaited". They can be taught to rack and slow gait, but they are trotters first and foremost. Only a select few are chosen to learn the rack, and the ones that are born naturally gaited are very rare. They are not actually considered among the "gaited breeds" in the sense that the Walkers and Foxtrotters, and Mountain horses and other true gaited breeds are. They are a trotting breed with the ability to learn.

Anything you want to do A saddlebred can fit the spot. Not all Saddlebreds can fill every slot, you have to take into account his conformation and potential, but you can find one to fit your needs.

THAT black stallion you posted is a full American Saddlebred, not a Saddlebred Arab cross, or NSH as that cross is known as. That particular stallion is one of my favorites. He is a really really neat horse, and produces some nice horses.

The American Saddlebred is an EXCELLENT choice for a Sport Horse Prospect. I would talk to some of the folks on Trot.org about what to look for in a cross.

Here are some links that you might find helpful.
American Saddlebred Sport Horse
ASB Sport Horses and more
Dressage - Trot.org Forums
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I would have to agree with Spyder, if you are looking for a horse that will be competitive in the dressage ring, then you need to look at a stallion that is successful in the dressage ring. A WB will be your best bet because they are bred and conformed for the discipline. Dressage is so much more than just big leg action.

As for the stud, I just really don't like him. He may be the peak of what they look for in SB shows, but to me, he's downright ugly. He looks like a giraffe.

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Saddlebreds are among the group of breeds are are considered gaited as they can also do the rack and slow amble. I simple would NOT introduce ANY BREED that does not have only three PURE gaits within the mixture, no matter how far back it may be.

Her best bet is a warmblood. Bred for dressage and successful in that discipline.

As a saddlebred owner, I can assure you they are not all gaited.
My mare has the most solid 3 gaits and no hope of doing any gaiting. Some have the ability, but not all. A high stepping horse doesnt equate a gaited horse. Even the 5 gaited horses, still have a TRUE w/t/c.

I would also lean towards a warmblood myself though.
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