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What colour? Dun? Silver? Both?

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#1 ·
I wonder what my new icelandic yearlings color is..
The breed comes in any colour, so that's no help :P

The auktion paper said ''silver yellow'', I don't know how right they were concidering the circumstanses, but silver isn't unlikely (pretty common in the breed as far as I've seen) and as far as I know, dun is also a regular icelndic colour? So it's not impossible that they've mixed, right?

I read this:
Her color is the result of a black base coat diluted by both a dun dilute gene, and a silver dapple dilute gene. *The silver dapple gene diluted the mane and tail to silver, but the dorsal stripe and other dun markings appear to remain relatively undiluted on this mare. The body has been diluted by both the silver dapple gene and the dun gene, causing a pale body coat.
Dun Central Station - Dun Plus Other Dilutions
The pictures is of silver and dun on a black base.. I wonder if they could come on a brown/dark base and if that could be Sólons colour?

Or is he just a light red dun?

Well.. see for yourselves :) What do you think?

He has a light, thin stripe down the back and some leg markings, but fairly light legs, and the center of the mane and tail are dark. It's not very visible on the tail tho since it has so much light/white on it.







I guess I get insecure about if its just a red dun because he's so light, and the dark in the mane and tail doesn't look red at all. (except the tip of the tail but I suspect that's bleached by..stuff) and then the silver-thing in the papers suggests that one of his parents were silver, or something. I dunno..

The both black-silver-duns they had pictures on looks like him except gray.. http://duncentralstation.com/DunOtherD/Misty-sdgrulla.jpg this one lacks a lot of the dark in the mane.. http://duncentralstation.com/DunOtherD/HolySmoke-KMSHA.jpg but this one has more of it and it's the same type of genes, so maybe Sólon is something in between? And then brown/chestnut/red/whatever brownish colour instead of black as a base?

Am I just making stuff extra difficult? Can he be just a light red dun or some other normal colour?
 
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#2 ·
Hmm...I've never seen a horse in that colour...he's very beautiful, by the way.

He's definatly some color of dun, but I don't know what to name that!
 
#4 ·
How does this sound:

"Claybank dun - This is the dilute of the red dun. (chestnut + C+Ccr + Dd_). This dun ranges from pale straw to a yellow clay color, with darker legs. The primitive markings are golden or tan. The mane and tail are mostly cream or white, except where the dorsal stripe runs through. Due to this, claybank dun is known as palomino dun in Europe."

Taken from Horse Color Explained: A Breeder's Perspective. It's an Australian book... I'm not sure if the term "claybank" is used elsewhere.
 
#9 ·
iridehorses: hmm. Sólon has way more white in his mane and tail (which is why I expect the silver/cream gene) and after what I've learnt, buckskin and dun is completely different colours, genetically :)

ponyboy; yeah.. but does that make the fjord palomino dun or just say it has a different colour?
 
#10 ·
chestnut + C+Ccr + Dd_
What does those letters stand for? I'm not very good at genetics when they're not spelled out clearly x) and could chestnut be replaced with brown or bay? That could explain the dark mane and tail since those colors ''saves'' certain parts of the horse from being anything else than black.. like the mane and tail.. or am I way wrong?
 
#25 ·
chestnut + C+Ccr + Dd_
What does those letters stand for?
Ccr is the cream gene (cremello). C+Ccr means heterozygous I THINK. (Don't ask me, I'm just quoting the book lol).

The Dd_ should actually have been DD_ which means the dun gene is activated. The _ at the end means it could be hetero- or ****- zygous... Again I THINK.

But now I think other people are right, he's more likely to be silver dun.
 
#12 ·
OQ?

Not sure if that was a question or a guess on the colour..but..
Silver dapple is perhaps whatyou call it? We just say silver.. it's the gene that makes the mane and tail on a black or brown horse white (if a black horse has white mane and tail :P) Not sure if it's the same that's called flaxen on chestnuts or what.. >_> But I know that icelandics xome in a lot of silver colors.
So if dun can mix with a silver gene, like this article said.. and does that on a brown or bay base-colour.. it should look like Sólon..o_O
 
#14 ·
Honestly I'd say Dunalino or Silver Dunskin. But one of the parents would HAVE to have the creme gene. I don't suppose you have the papers do you? If he has them. Because while silver and dun can be pretty tricky to detect in some cases and silver doesn't show up on chestnuts it can look like it skips a generation. Creme really isn't that tricky though, so its usually on papers. This is not a black based horse, I can say that with a lot of confidence. Either bay or chestnut. Though I'm leaning more towards the bay side with Silver Dunskin. Dunalinos don't usually have dark primitive markings.

So I'm going with silver Dunskin :D
 
#16 ·
His papers/passport are sent to the icelandics association for owner-registration :) I only have half the pedigree tho, but he's born on iceland so he's a pure icelandic (they only have icelandics there).

Silver is very possible, I havn't seen his parents but silver is kinda normal there so..
I think he's silver+dun+brown/bay.. after my reading yesternight I figured his mane and tail has too much white to say buckskin/dunskin? Is there anything in his colour that say that he has the buckskin in him, because I think that silver+brown+dun seems right..
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Yeah, I know it's not a black base since he's notgray, but they didn't have pictures on any brownish base + silver+dun, so.. :P
 
#17 ·
Why does this matter? Just curiosity? (not meant in a nasty way)
 
#18 · (Edited)
His mane has too much white to be dunskin, but it is pretty much perfect for silver dunskin. Silver effects black hair and turns it light, and in some instinces practically white. I stand by silver dunskin. His body shade is perfect for buckskin. It's not the appropriate color to be brown/bay silver, it's too creme. Brown/bay silvers are reddish, because silver just effects the black. And he's not a black silver, he is not greyish hued as they are. I have to say silver dunskin, because of his body shade. Dunalino is a possibility, but I lean toward dunskin because of the darkness of the primitive markings.
 
#19 ·
Sunny: I want to know what colour he is and what to call it :) Just curiosity and well..it's good to know? :P

upsidedown: What's exactly a buckskin?
I know a dunskin is dun+buckskin(?) but what makes a buckskin?
 
#20 ·
Got it ;)

I say silver dun. Duns have points right?
 
#22 ·
hmmm...
Makes sense. The 'silver yellow (swedish translation)'' in the papers might very well be ''silver+creme" to imply that he has both of them..o_O
 
#24 ·
Blergh, all of you people are too bad with swedish xD Forces me to learn weird english horse color names x)

So then he's a silver dunskin..? Sounds cool at least xD
 
#32 · (Edited)
Blergh, all of you people are too bad with swedish xD Forces me to learn weird english horse color names x)

So then he's a silver dunskin..? Sounds cool at least xD

I'm tryin' Zab! It is hard though when you're an old lady to learn a new language - until recently, the only swedish I knew was swearing ;) lol

He's a yearling, right? He'll probably darken up just a little bit. I think the yellow - silver on the papers means as you thought - cream & silver. Are you getting the rest of his papers? Or is it lost forever because of the auction? They may have it on there(if you can get them). His coloring does look quite a bit like the fjord colors.

can you tell me what it says in the native language? Maybe that would help... or not, just curious.
 
#29 ·
But isn't that the same as a silver dunskin then? :3
I've learnt that at least one of his parents does have the creme-gene.. and that he probably has silver as well not too far back at all.
 
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