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post #11 of 22 Old 01-17-2009, 02:09 PM
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Hmm, this is quickly getting confusing
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post #12 of 22 Old 01-17-2009, 02:37 PM
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I would say that she is just a buckskin. Lots of buckskins have a very slight dorsal stripe and some bays do too. That is not necessarily indicative of a dun. Like someone else said, dun and buckskin are due to genetics
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Since the dun gene, when on a "bay dun" horse, can closely resemble buckskin, in that both colors feature a light-colored coat with a dark mane and tail, classic duns are frequently confused with buckskins. The difference between these two colors is that dun is a tan color, somewhat duller than the more cream or gold buckskin, and duns also possess the primitive markings. (Though a few buckskins do show a dorsal stripe.)
Genetically, a bay dun is a bay horse with the dun gene that causes the lighter coat color and the primitive markings. A buckskin is bay horse with the addition of the cream gene causing the coat color to be diluted from red to gold, without primitive markings.
To further confuse matters, it is possible for a horse to carry both dun and cream dilution genes; such horses with golden buckskin coloring and a complete set of primitive markings is referred to as a "palomino dun" or a "dunalino"/"buckskin dun" or a "dunskin." On such horses, the distinctive markings of a dun can be more noticeable during the summer months when the winter hair sheds.
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I worked for APHA in registration... Your horse is Buckskin not Dun.
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What makes a buckskin different than a dunskin? (and different than a "dun", at that!) too many names for a very similar color!

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What makes a buckskin different than a dunskin? (and different than a "dun", at that!) too many names for a very similar color!
A dunskin is a dun with a buckskin base so their genetic makeup is:
E?A?CrcrD?

So they have a black base (may carry red as well, but black is dominant), Ee or EE, With the agouti gene (bay gene, again dominant, so they can hold a non-bay gene as well), AA or Aa, a single creme gene (which makes the horse a buckskin instead of a bay, had the horse had two he would have been a perlino), Crcr, and then the dun gene (which is dominant, so they can hold a non-dun gene as well), Dd or DD.

A buckskin is the same, but has EeAaCrcrdd.

a dun is any horse that has Dd or DD, which can be linked with any base color.
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wow...i thought i understood genetics to a degree, but apparently not THAT well bc i am lost! lol so could you ever have a buckskin and a dunskin that looked VERY much alike? or would you def be able to tell them apart?

Doesn't really matter much, I love Sandie no matter what her color is called, but now I'm just very curious! haha

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it is very hard to distinguish dun from dunskin as they are rather close in appearance. The dun factor lightens the coat as does the cream gene. The best thing to do (thank goodness for science) is test for the cream gene and the dun gene.
What do you know about your horse's background? What were her parents registered as and do you have pictures of them?

I think the face mask that is being referred to is a dark shadowing above their eyes-on duns you will actually see striping sometimes. It's not a white face mask-that would be facial markings and a whole other ball game.
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it is very hard to distinguish dun from dunskin as they are rather close in appearance. The dun factor lightens the coat as does the cream gene. The best thing to do (thank goodness for science) is test for the cream gene and the dun gene.
What do you know about your horse's background? What were her parents registered as and do you have pictures of them?

I think the face mask that is being referred to is a dark shadowing above their eyes-on duns you will actually see striping sometimes. It's not a white face mask-that would be facial markings and a whole other ball game.
oh ok thanks! i know nothing about her parents yet...she was a rescue but it registered with APHA, so they have her papers...I'll get them once the paperwork is switched to me and finalized.

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wow...i thought i understood genetics to a degree, but apparently not THAT well bc i am lost! lol so could you ever have a buckskin and a dunskin that looked VERY much alike? or would you def be able to tell them apart?

Doesn't really matter much, I love Sandie no matter what her color is called, but now I'm just very curious! haha
Haha. Maybe you can just invent your own colour: Sandy! They can be called SHR horses! (Sandy Horse Registry).

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Haha. Maybe you can just invent your own colour: Sandy! They can be called SHR horses! (Sandy Horse Registry).
LOL great idea Jubilee!! Anyone want to register their horse with the SHR? Just let me know!! haha

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