Why do many Arabian ads say No Minstril breeding?

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Why do many Arabian ads say No Minstril breeding?

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    01-18-2010, 01:56 PM
Why do many Arabian ads say No Minstril breeding?

Hi all,

I am new to this forum and am enjoying reading all the posts.

I have been looking at ads for Arabians, as my current favorite that I foaled out is now 29 years old. I am not in the market yet, as I think we have another 3-5 years, but it's fun to look.

I see may ads say "No Minstril" as though that is an undesirable breeding sire. I have been out of touch on the top names in breeding for a long time.

I have done several Google searches and can not find anything as to why you would not want to have his breeding in the pedigree.

Thanks for any info!
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    01-18-2010, 09:52 PM
I did some research and found out that his blood is thought to be "impure."

    01-18-2010, 11:41 PM
Thank you very much for taking the time to research my question. That is great information and the link explains it very well.

    01-20-2010, 02:26 AM
Green Broke
Wow, this is news to me...... I take it that you are referring to the stallion The Minstril? I'll have to look into that, I hadn't heard of that.

Is there a link that mentions this? I'd like to read bout it, The Minstril has some VERY well-known and very famous bloodlines on both his sire and dam's side.... Have to say I am doubtful about his being "impure"... but I would like to find out what portion of his pedigree is under suspicion....
    01-20-2010, 07:04 PM
I have seen that statement in ads for Straight Egyptian stallions and mares-- It is my understanding that The Minstril *IS* Straight Egyptian, and since he was/is very popular has been widely used fro breeding Straight Egyptians, so advertising "no The Minsrtil" is attractive to people with The Minstril blood already in their herds who are looking for unrelated or less related breeding stock.
    01-20-2010, 07:30 PM
After reading the link provided by CloudsMystique, I also did a little digging, and it appears that the question of purity regarding The Minstril (actually its a question about very distant ancestors) stems from ONE person's published research-- where this person apparently also calls into question 700 other straight Egyptian horses.

Here is a link to an archived discussion including quotes from the research and commentary from the researcher and those (including Arabian breeders in Egypt)who disagree with her, and/or have conflicting information, and/or question her methods and/or motives.

It is very interesting reading--

Nasralla (shahriar) (1956 - StraightEgyptians.com Forum Straight Egyptians - The Egyptian Arabian Horses Resource
    01-20-2010, 08:05 PM
At the archived discussion I posted, of particular interest to your question are posts 1, 14, 18, 23, 27, 32-36, 46.....82, 83-87, and etc. its all interesting, but those posts mention the Minstril and the controversy.

Also, post 22 here--
Any Doubt About The Purity Of Farid Hp? - StraightEgyptians.com Forum Straight Egyptians - The Egyptian Arabian Horses Resource

Posts 6 and 7, 11,25, and 37 here--
Q. Is Exochorda Pure Arabian Mare? - StraightEgyptians.com Forum Straight Egyptians - The Egyptian Arabian Horses Resource

AND, this whole thread, which is commentary on the original poster's question"Why "No Minstril"?
Why No Ministril? - StraightEgyptians.com Forum Straight Egyptians - The Egyptian Arabian Horses Resource
    01-21-2010, 07:33 AM
Easttowest's post about so many having him in their SE pedigrees is what I've heard. BTW, I LOOOVE him, and know a GORGEOUS son of his my mare will be re-bred to next month :) (she was bred to him two springs ago but lost the foal).
    01-21-2010, 12:59 PM
Thank you for the links Eastowest. I have read 22 pages of the 44 pages in the last link you posted. It is quite interesting and does answer my question.

Thank you!
    01-23-2010, 02:51 PM
Green Broke
Agreed with Eastowest. Although some doubt lingers, the Egyptian Arabians are considered the most pure of all the strains. Having No Minstril in a pedigree based on impurity would mean all non-Al Khamsa lined horses would have essentially the same message. Over-use weakens a bloodline, so horses are often listed as not having a major bloodline to promote their use within a breeding program that has that bloodline. I love the Crabbet lines for their athletic prowess and thicker lines, but I would avoid Crabbet breeding at all costs when breeding my mare because she has *Raffles in her pedigree so many dang times, you'd swear you were drunk looking generations back. For the most part, the lines have filtered out a bit as the Crabbet breeding has all but disappeared in current day and age, but I'd still rather not take the chance of inbreeding her back to a horse with *Raffles as many times in his pedigree as in hers.

An interesting fact is there was a huge uproar back in the 70's and 80's over Russian bred Arabians. I'm not sure how much truth is lent to it, but the general conviction was that they were not pure due to them regularly being 16hh+ in a generation when Arabians rarely saw above 15hh. If you get a look at some old Russian bloodline, I can see it being truthful as they really lacked the uniform Arabian look of the time.

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