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        05-19-2010, 08:10 PM
      #11
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    Originally Posted by CloudsMystique    
    Except that they aren't just "shades." They're completely different colors.
    I guess I'm just old fashioned. For me, there are really only two colors, black and red
         
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        05-19-2010, 08:12 PM
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    But if you are going to register a smokey black under a different name (other then black that is), why not register a chestnut/sorrel w/ the agouti under a different name? Why is cream so special? And if we're going to have smokey black, why not smokey grulla?
    I guess because you don't say "I have a chestnut with the agouti gene"... Just like you wouldn't say you have a EE or Ee black horse. You'd just say chestnut or black. With smoky black and smoky cream there's an actual name for the colors, and registering them under black or perlino just seems wrong.

    You could have a smoky grullo, but like I sort of mentioned in my first post, I'd draw the line at one type of modifying gene. If you don't draw it somewhere, it'd be out of control. But smoky black and smoky cream are very basic and fairly common colors (at least when compared to smoky grullo), and I think they should be available - especially if buckskin, palomino, cremello, and perlino are.
         
        05-19-2010, 08:14 PM
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    Originally Posted by PaintHorseMares    
    I guess I'm just old fashioned. For me, there are really only two colors, black and red
    Haha, sounds like my boyfriend. He calls them black and brown... although I have a palomino, so he's forced to admit that "yellow" is a color as well ; )
         
        05-19-2010, 08:15 PM
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    I'm slow, I can't reply fast enough!
    Haha, me too. I'm triple-posting because every time I post a reply I notice another new one.
         
        05-19-2010, 10:41 PM
      #15
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    Actually if I had a black horse w/ the cream gene, I'd just say I have a black horse. Knowing a chestnut has an agouti gene would be just as important as knowing if a black horse has the cream gene, in fact maybe more important because if the chestnut has two copies of the gene you know it's not a good choice if you want a black foal.

    We can give a chestnut w/ an agouti gene a special name, all we have to do is get it to catch on and before you know it we have a brand new horse color!

    I guess I just don't get the point of giving one color several names. In my book a black horse is a black horse!
         
        05-19-2010, 11:01 PM
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    Could you imagine the list of colours there'd be?! Could you imagine the look on all those backyard breeder's faces when they had to choose?
    They'd be hitting the computer to see which colour has the highest price value and if it's "close" to their horse, they'd label it. Could you imagine all the corrections AQHA/APHA would be making when those horses got with someone knowledgable?
    Haha.

    The only issue I've really had with registeries would have been those not accepting purebreds (Arabians) because of their coat colour (Sabino). I could go AQHA and their rules with white over the knees but QH's are allowed other breeds into their registry it just seemed kinda stupid for them. Regardless, CAHR/AHA allow all Sabino Arabians to be registered now, so I'm all cool now.
         
        05-19-2010, 11:15 PM
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    Could you imagine the list of colours there'd be?! Could you imagine the look on all those backyard breeder's faces when they had to choose?
    They'd be hitting the computer to see which colour has the highest price value and if it's "close" to their horse, they'd label it. Could you imagine all the corrections AQHA/APHA would be making when those horses got with someone knowledgable?
    Haha.
    Haha, you're right and I agree that they need to draw a line somewhere. What I don't understand is why they bother to put buckskin, palomino, cremello, and perlino on the papers and not smoky black and smoky cream.

    If the color on the papers is solely for identification purposes, why not register any horse with pink skin, white hair, and blue eyes as a cremello? Why not register brown horses as bays? Why do they recognize some colors and not others?
         
        05-19-2010, 11:22 PM
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    Originally Posted by CloudsMystique    

    If the color on the papers is solely for identification purposes, why not register any horse with pink skin, white hair, and blue eyes as a cremello? Why not register brown horses as bays? Why do they recognize some colors and not others?
    Because it's still something that's governed by a bunch of humans, therefore will never be perfected?
    I think only AQHA/APHA presidents could tell you that. I'm sure in their own minds they have their ideas as to why, just like others have in their minds ideas on why they should.
         
        05-19-2010, 11:24 PM
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    Originally Posted by WSArabians    
    Because it's still something that's governed by a bunch of humans, therefore will never be perfected?
    I think only AQHA/APHA presidents could tell you that. I'm sure in their own minds they have their ideas as to why, just like others have in their minds ideas on why they should.
    Haha, okay. I can live with that. Maybe it's just my need for everything to be even and organized (read: OCD)

    ; )
         
        05-19-2010, 11:32 PM
      #20
    Yearling
    In the case of smokey black, I'd say it's because a black horse w/ a cream gene is still a black horse!

    Smokey cream, I wouldn't have a problem w/ them giving a name to. But they DO register them! They didn't at one time, and at that time I disagreed w/ them, but now they'd be registered as perlino. And I (and I assume most people) can tell the difference between a cremello and a white horse.

    AQHA has done away w/ their white rule, and the only other breed they let in is TB, and the horse is appendix depending on how much TB it has.

    I'm not fast enough again!
         

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