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        12-18-2012, 08:20 PM
      #121
    Foal
    Sigh, yes you are correct the modern Andalusian is post development of the Peruvian but the Arabian influence in the modern Andalusian is documented. I pointed out the Carthusians because that is the easiest trail for others to find documentation. I respect Dr. Bennett very much, and agree with her on many things. However, her conclusions about the pre Andalusians are suspect at best and outright wrong at the worst. She is big on common sense which is rare for an academic. The area where these horses came from was southern Spain. This is where the Moorish presence was the strongest. It could be, but not likely, that you can have two breeds of horses with similar physical characteristics like the earlier Arabian and the pre Andalusian in the same geographic area. But to believe that it didn't happen when there are these resemblences combined with mention of it from stories of those times is a strong case for living in denial.
         
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        12-19-2012, 08:58 AM
      #122
    Trained
    I too k now of Dr Bennet.
    One thing I would like to comment on is the passion and intelligence xlntperuvian exhibits when posting.
    Hey I think I have posted here about the crememllo gelding that I own.
    He is out of a half arabian half paso and by a half arabian and half QH.
    They mistakenly thought they could still register the foal by breeding two registered half arabians. He is a very nice horse. Shalom
         
        12-19-2012, 03:31 PM
      #123
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    I too k now of Dr Bennet.
    One thing I would like to comment on is the passion and intelligence xlntperuvian exhibits when posting.
    Hey I think I have posted here about the crememllo gelding that I own.
    He is out of a half arabian half paso and by a half arabian and half QH.
    They mistakenly thought they could still register the foal by breeding two registered half arabians. He is a very nice horse. Shalom
    What? Wait a minute... You mean breeding a half-Arabian to a half-Arabian doesn't make a whole Arabian? Too darn funny!

    Thank you for your kind words dbarabians. I appreciate it very much.
         
        12-20-2012, 02:33 AM
      #124
    Yearling
    ^^ Lol I think they may have thought that because the foal would still technically be 1/2 Arabian with a 1/4 Paso and 1/4 QH they could still register it as Part-Arab... Unless you were being sarcastic, in which case, ignore this. It's hard to tell with electronic communication sometimes.

    I think no matter what you breed, there's always that off chance that you'll get something different from both parents, although highly more likely in crosses than purebreds! Sometimes two purebreds can produce something spectacularly ugly or strange looking though.

    My mare is registered Pinto, but is a bit of a mix. She is 1/2 Paint, 7/16 Arab and 1/16 Thoroughbred. Both her sire and dam were pretty sturdy in build and she ended up much lighter boned than both her sire and her dam.

    I think I posted about him before, but friends of my parents brought over a gelding they needed exercised and he was a Percheron/Morgan cross. He was quite unfortunate looking with a sparse, spiky main, thick neck and big head, but you couldn't ask for a more willing or dependable horse. And so smooth, I probably could have carried a glass of water without spilling a drop on him.
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        12-20-2012, 06:04 AM
      #125
    Trained
    Nope I am serious. They truly thought that they would be able to register the foal. They even wanted to use another Stallion as the sire since half arabs are not DNAed/ that's why he is here. Couldnt get him reistered.
    They wanted to breed palomino half arabians. Shalom
         
        12-20-2012, 08:09 AM
      #126
    Yearling
    I am not a breed snob and I do not believe that papers make the horse but I am not for purposely breeding to create mixes. Anyone who has gone to one of the low budget auctions with the meat buyers should feel the same way. Yes, some papered horses go to auction but the majority of the horses at those places are poorly put together mixes. Someone likely just HAD to have a baby out of their wonderful mare and promised to always keep it forever. Life changes though and then all of a sudden we have a "what do we do with the horses?" moment and off they go.

    At those sales so many of the horses have extremely long backs, short legs, big heads are over or behind at the knees, weak back ends. Sure, you can get that by breeding two very well put together horses but the chances are not as great as when breeding 2 totally different put together horses.

    I have seen a lot of really ugly Friesian mixes. Most of the ones I saw got the worst of both horses and 90% of them had huge ugly heads on short necks with long backs. I love Friesians on their own but don't think they should be mixed randomly.

    I don't believe that there is a horse on this planet that doesn't have worth. They can all be sweet nice pets but.. they could be those things if they were well put together as well. I would rather see a horse comfortable and functionally sound for it's entire life. Can't make it 100% but working to breed carefully at least increases the chances.
         
        12-20-2012, 05:27 PM
      #127
    Started
    I agree with Inga. I have out a pasture a horse whose good breeding is a shock when you look at her. She is the result of hall of fame bloodlines and her conformation fell a part. Short backed, steep croup, big head, has bad hocks and a leg injury as a foal leaves her with one good leg. This mare is a pasture pet and truly a soft mare. While not very smart she can go in with the wimpiest of the wimps and get along fine. The greatest tragedy of her life is that currently no one wants to share grain with her (this mare loves to share a bucket with other horses, she will leave a bucket with grain in it to go share a bucket with a friend). She was foaled here and will die here. We committed to that when we got her mother pregnant. We are lucky because we have for 19 years been able to keep that commitment.

    That said, this mare is very well bred but it did not turn out. So great blood lines can throw a curve ball. Why increase those chances by breeding this with that because you want a whatever it is cross? I don't have a problem with people wanting to breed a mare as long as they are committed to doing the right thing. We have an agreement within the family as to what to do if something happens to the family and the horses have to be rehomed. This wonky mare would be euthanized because she is not able to be ridden (not even saddle broke) and realistically in this market no one wants a 19 year old mare that tricky to catch and unsound. This mare has never left the property or been on a trailer. If she went to sale she would end up going to meat buyers and that would be a horrible/terrifying experience for this mare. If you want to be bred be realistic about your horse and be ready to make hard decisions.
         
        12-20-2012, 06:11 PM
      #128
    Yearling
    Well not really entirely a bad cross (if the horses being bred are a good match), but it is somewhat a pet peeve of mine; when people breed horses with appaloosa coloring to horses with paint coloring. The resulting 'pintaloosa' is enough to drive me mad! Within some breeds it acceptable to have appaloosa colors as well as paint colors, and then some people breed them together. Then you get the funky mosh of tobiano deciding whether or not it wants to have a blanket with spots. They are very cute and unique, but it is just a personal preference of mine as I am a fan of Appaloosas. I have seen people who breed entirely for this psychedelic pintaloosa because they are pretty. .__. So I am a little bit biased.



    Here is a pintaloosa-colored mustang. It can happen naturally, so I guess I only hate on them when they are a product breeders who breed only for color - this color.
         
        12-20-2012, 06:42 PM
      #129
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by rookie    
    I agree with Inga. I have out a pasture a horse whose good breeding is a shock when you look at her. She is the result of hall of fame bloodlines and her conformation fell a part. Short backed, steep croup, big head, has bad hocks and a leg injury as a foal leaves her with one good leg. This mare is a pasture pet and truly a soft mare. While not very smart she can go in with the wimpiest of the wimps and get along fine. The greatest tragedy of her life is that currently no one wants to share grain with her (this mare loves to share a bucket with other horses, she will leave a bucket with grain in it to go share a bucket with a friend). She was foaled here and will die here. We committed to that when we got her mother pregnant. We are lucky because we have for 19 years been able to keep that commitment.

    That said, this mare is very well bred but it did not turn out. So great blood lines can throw a curve ball. Why increase those chances by breeding this with that because you want a whatever it is cross? I don't have a problem with people wanting to breed a mare as long as they are committed to doing the right thing. We have an agreement within the family as to what to do if something happens to the family and the horses have to be rehomed. This wonky mare would be euthanized because she is not able to be ridden (not even saddle broke) and realistically in this market no one wants a 19 year old mare that tricky to catch and unsound. This mare has never left the property or been on a trailer. If she went to sale she would end up going to meat buyers and that would be a horrible/terrifying experience for this mare. If you want to be bred be realistic about your horse and be ready to make hard decisions.
    No argument here either. I was only trying to make the point that sometimes it doesn't have to be a cross to come out funny! But I do agree with the fact that the risk of something strange looking is a lot higher with mixed breeds.

    Some of the funniest looking crosses I have seen are definitely draft mixed with light horse. Ie: the Morgan-Percheron cross I mentioned above.
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        12-20-2012, 10:33 PM
      #130
    Foal
    Hmm to me I think all horse breeds are amazing but if i'd say if there is a bad crossbreed it'll probably be a quarter horse and a percheron
         

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