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    05-11-2010, 06:59 AM
  #11
Banned
To sort of recap the previous thread on the subject:

A cross resists generalizations because a cross doesn't run true to type - you can have a Perch/TB cross that comes out looking almost entirely like the Perch parent, entirely like the TB parent, or a combination of the worst traits of both. Or you can have a happy result and get a Perch/TB cross that has the warmblood type conformation that's ideal for dressage, but that's statistically less common. (In the previous thread, a poster get very upset at the criticism of draft crosses as sport horses and post photos of some gorgeous 50% draft crosses that looked and performed like warmbloods. Gorgeous, but not typical.)

So you'd be better off analyzing the confo of the individual horse for suitability for dressage rather than trying to make a generalization about the cross.

Also, you need to consider exactly what you want the horse to do - almost any sound horse can do training and first level, however, if you want to show and be competitive, it's best to have a horse that looks the part and has the movement. If you have aspirations above second level, you must evaluate the horse for its ability to collect.
     
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    05-12-2010, 11:28 PM
  #12
Trained
In general, horses with draft blood do not have correct movement for dressage. Draft horses do not have a moment of suspension in their gait, which is crucial to dressage.
As previously mentioned, they are also built to pull, not carry.

I would not recommend a draft cross as a dressage prospect, although they can do lower levels. A very well built one might potentially make it to PSG, but I think you would be extremely hard pressed to find a draft cross that can perform a piaffe/passage correct enough to show at GP.
     
    05-15-2010, 06:57 PM
  #13
Foal
A friend of mine was schooling and competing one who was doing really well, and had huge stunning movement but he was built like a tank!
     
    06-10-2010, 09:36 PM
  #14
Foal
If it's crossed with TB then it could probably do it...basically a warmblood. Mostly depends on build and movement though.
     
    06-10-2010, 10:03 PM
  #15
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Originally Posted by mct97    
If it's crossed with TB then it could probably do it...basically a warmblood. Mostly depends on build and movement though.
No, no, no. Crossing a draft with a TB does not a warmblood make. Not even "basically" a warmblood. It makes a draft cross. A mutt. Generally mutts with good personalities, but mutts all the same. Like my horses. They are NOT Warmbloods!
     
    06-10-2010, 10:32 PM
  #16
Banned
When people call to see what we have in the rescue in the way of horses, we always mention rosie...a perch cross. Immediatly the response is "What level dressage does she do? Can she jump? How high?" Since she is the only perch cross that I've ever ridden, I can assure you that she is not the dancy prancy dressage type. Jumping is totally out of the question. Im sure there are some great perch crosses out there but not all are created equal.
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    06-11-2010, 02:23 PM
  #17
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Originally Posted by corinowalk    
When people call to see what we have in the rescue in the way of horses, we always mention rosie...a perch cross. Immediatly the response is "What level dressage does she do? Can she jump? How high?" Since she is the only perch cross that I've ever ridden, I can assure you that she is not the dancy prancy dressage type. Jumping is totally out of the question. Im sure there are some great perch crosses out there but not all are created equal.

Haha lok at her NECK! Aww, she's darling....but yeah definitely not dressage/jumper material!
     
    06-11-2010, 03:31 PM
  #18
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Indyhorse    
No, no, no. Crossing a draft with a TB does not a warmblood make. Not even "basically" a warmblood. It makes a draft cross. A mutt. Generally mutts with good personalities, but mutts all the same. Like my horses. They are NOT Warmbloods!
The horse (mutt as you out it :P) would actually be warmblooded, even if it is not a warmblood we all know and love. Crossing drafts with hot bloods was how we got the foundation warmbloods 100s of years ago. I got this info from: 'The Horse: A Complete Guide' not my info before you start pointing fingers! Although it makes perfect sense to me.

I googled 'percheron dressage' and some good info came up and some really nice looking pictures at really high levels but they were all crosses
     
    06-11-2010, 03:33 PM
  #19
Showing
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Originally Posted by mct97    
If it's crossed with TB then it could probably do it...basically a warmblood. Mostly depends on build and movement though.
Why do so many people think this? Crossing a cold blood with a hot blood does not make a warmblood! All it does is make a CROSS, who may or may not get the traits to make it a dressage prospect!

Speedy, that's like saying breeding an Arabian stallion with an English heavy hunter mare will get a TB. Not so.

Warmbloods are a breed, like TBs, because they bred true to type. Breeding a draft with a TB does NOT make a warmblood, regardless of what you may have read in a book somewhere.
     
    06-11-2010, 03:56 PM
  #20
Showing
That's also like saying breeding a Mastiff and an Irish Greyhound will produce Great Dane puppies.

Those two breeds may have been the originators of the Dane breed, but Danes are now a breed unto themselves, and an outcross to either of those breeds would mean the puppies were MUTTS.
     

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