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post #11 of 31 Old 08-01-2013, 12:13 PM
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The man I worked for years ago bred from a warmblood mare that was the easiest and sweetest horse imaginable. When she had a year off after several foals I tacked her up and got on her and she didn't put a foot wrong.
Her offspring were also really good, one went on to be Reserve Champion Police Horse of the Year - he only lost out because he gave the camel a 'funny look' rather than ignore it
Our WB X TB here is the easiest of horses to handle and very well mannered to ride, a real sweetie with loads of character yet we were told that in the short time she was at one of the Equestrian Colleges the staff and students really disliked her and found her difficult
If you keep any horse stabled a lot of the time and have it in super fit condition then it will be get 'full of itself' but that can apply to any breed you treat that way
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Heck...I'd look strangely at a camel as well if I saw one. I have always been a TBred person..more out of chance than choice..there are just so many of them. Lately though, I have been trying out all warmbloods or warmblood X TBs. I have found, going on what I have seen without a drug panel to test for less than stellar seller practices, that they have been calm and steady for the most part..a little bit of attitude but nothing I would equate with danger. I am not the most confident rider but can handle some silliness under saddle..I just prefer the horse that doesn't try to buck, bolt, rear or leave me on the opposite side of the ring on a routine basis. Sure, no breathing horse is ever 100% bombproof and that I understand..just prefer the explosions to be very few and very far between rather than a daily occurrence.

When I started riding and then had a trainer about 4 years into it, she was of the same mind...referred to warmbloods as dumb bloods and was disparaging of their longer ears and smaller eyes. Maybe I have always had that in my mind but for what I want to do, warmbloods have the breeding and the ability where TBreds are not quite as easy to get where I want to go without a LOT of professional training.

I've looked at Westphalians, Oldenburgs and Hanoverians as well as TB crosses of all three...haven't seen one yet that wasn't well mannered...conformration issues yes, unclean x-rays yes but none with ultimately pushy or unmannered attitudes.
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Its mostly a matter of training and maturity. My 2 were wonderful boys. Well mannered, but both had evil reps when young My GP horse was found as a 4 y o at the late great Herbert Rehbein's yard in Germany, and a well-known North American GP rider regaled me with stories of him as a just broke kid when she rode him as a working student for Rehbein Both mellowed as they got more mature.

I was never really a TB person, and WBs suit me. That said, I find TBs more agile thinkers and WBs perhaps more stubborn generally.
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Makes you wonder if the stubbornness of the warmblood is what gave them that early reputation as "dumb bloods."
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I'm MASSIVE into my sport horses. And as a European sport horse is pretty much a warm blood of some description well... I love em'. My current horse, I would love for him to either stay exactly as he is (TB), or be a warm blood!
I hear they have attitude though. Diddly is as quiet as a lamb, and I like that, so I'm not sure if I'd want to own one. I think its the idea of owning one!
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Tlkng1, I really think the whole dumblood thing came from frustration with the differences in temperament and the coarser look of the early warmbloods. The heavy look of the early WBs here in the States was new to the sporthorse world. The first WBs I remember were huge boned Holsteiners and Hanoverians, and when they stood near our TBs and QHs, they did indeed look coarse. And when they misbehaved, it tended more towards rearing, balking, bucking than the typical TB response of GET ME OUTTA HERE!!

Also back when WBs first became more popular here in the US, much of the breeding we saw had less TB, whereas in the last 25 years breeders are seeking more blood and more refinement - my Edward, an Oldenburg, was 5/8 TB, and Cecil, a DWB was 1/4, both born and bred in Europe.
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I've never owned a WB, though I consider my KMH one bc he is 16'3hh, 7 foot girth and weighs ~1,450 pounds. I think you would use those statistics measuring an Oldenburg, Trakenner or other WB's, JUST by their size.
Mine is very light and responsive, contrasted with my 15'3hh QH, ~1,100 pounds, much smaller...everything. Yet my QH gets "stubborn" when something is new, and he's not sure.
We should realize that all training needs to be tailored to the horse, simply bc now matter now LONG we have trained horses, we really speak "broken conversational horse" just like I speak "broken conversational Spanish."
Very few people here have handled/trained their current riding horse from the time of weaning, so you don't know if the training was correct or if it had holes, or if it was rushed. My QH came from a rescue, and his trainer was pretty good, yet her husband was trying to push their free help to trail ride him when he was green as grass. I started him over and, since we've established a trust relationship I take the time to stop and praise him and reassure him that he is pleasing me, so the progress is good.
It is sad to say but true that SO MANY horses we buy are no where NEAR as far along in their training as we thought upon purchase.
BE PATIENT. Unless your horse attacks you, IMHO a WB that seems stubborn probably just needs double the training time of your other horse who made rapid progress.

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There does seem to be an overall tendency to rush horses these days - it used to be that ' Brought on slowly' was part of the recommendation for a horse because it meant there would be no holes in its training that would come out to bite you later on.
I don't find the WB's to be great thinkers (though they do seem to retain education really well) - based on the ones I've had you have to ride them every inch of the way so not sure how they'd cope with hunting or eventing (x Country) the way a TB does or the Irish Draft X TB's who always seemed really smart at getting themselves out of a situation
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I've never owned a WB, though I consider my KMH one bc he is 16'3hh, 7 foot girth and weighs ~1,450 pounds. I think you would use those statistics measuring an Oldenburg, Trakenner or other WB's, JUST by their size.
I'm sorry, can you please explain this, I'm not sure I'm reading it right? You consider your KMH gelding to be a Warmblood because of his size?
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I love them, especially Dutch Warmbloods.

My current trainer breeds them and they are very well trained both on the ground and under saddle.

Lovely personalities.

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