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    10-24-2011, 03:04 PM
  #21
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And in the days that mules were only used by royalty, people thought the earth was flat. We're way beyond that, we've been to the moon in case you hadn't heard. I think people have smartened up a bit since then, most of us anyways...
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    10-24-2011, 03:04 PM
  #22
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The fact you said mules are "pointless". Personally, you are entitled to think that, as are the folks who feel strongly that mules are NOT pointless.

I have a hinney that is a guard dog for my minis. Without her, I would have lost more than one of my little ones to dog attacks. Certianly not pointless IMO.
     
    10-24-2011, 03:12 PM
  #23
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What would you want a zony for? Well, what do you want your Percheron for?

You realize that, it terms of doing genetic damage, you're much more likely to run into problems breeding like to like than you are breeding two very different individuals, right? Ever heard of "hybrid vigor?" It's a real phenomenon, and at the same time, "incestuous" inbreeding is very dangerous. In fact, I just read that the Przewalski's horse is in serious danger of extinction due to inbreeding. Many of the mares are infertile, and there is only a 20% breeding to birth rate, as opposed to a 60% rate in domestic horses. That's the danger of homozygous characteristics, and it's why the European royal families are plagued by hemophilia and why many purebred dogs have serious genetic problems like epilepsy or hip displacia. Or how about HERDA, SCID, CA, and GBED in horses?

So, from your "tampering with nature" standpoint, we did the most harm when we created this homogenous breeds in the first place, and we would have been better off leaving well enough alone. No more domestic animals, guys--you're screwin' stuff up!
     
    10-24-2011, 03:18 PM
  #24
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There was a person who provided horseback safaris in Africa. He used zorses for all of his pack horses. They were mostly bays with evident stripes. He preferred them for their hardiness and disease resistance. They were very tame and had no "issues". I can't find the photo of his pack string.



If ever given a chance to breed a large, fine WB to a zebra, I would in a heartbeat. I would hope to get some size and refinement in the hybrid. I would love showing a striped horse!
     
    10-24-2011, 03:18 PM
  #25
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Originally Posted by bubba13    
What would you want a zony for? Well, what do you want your Percheron for?

You realize that, it terms of doing genetic damage, you're much more likely to run into problems breeding like to like than you are breeding two very different individuals, right? Ever heard of "hybrid vigor?" It's a real phenomenon, and at the same time, "incestuous" inbreeding is very dangerous. In fact, I just read that the Przewalski's horse is in serious danger of extinction due to inbreeding. Many of the mares are infertile, and there is only a 20% breeding to birth rate, as opposed to a 60% rate in domestic horses. That's the danger of homozygous characteristics, and it's why the European royal families are plagued by hemophilia and why many purebred dogs have serious genetic problems like epilepsy or hip displacia. Or how about HERDA, SCID, CA, and GBED in horses?

So, from your "tampering with nature" standpoint, we did the most harm when we created this homogenous breeds in the first place, and we would have been better off leaving well enough alone. No more domestic animals, guys--you're screwin' stuff up!
Yeah, I'm well aware. That's why I feel like you should have to take classes on genetics and be licensed (passing a test with very high standards) in order to even breed ANY animal. Again, no need to slander or be rude, it accomplishes nothing. I certainly don't think there is anything we can do about damage that's already been done, so focusing on it is nothing but a waste of your time. For some reason no one seems to be reading that ITS THE FUTURE of mix breeding that I think is an issue. Is my text not showing up or what? Everyone is completely missing the point.
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    10-24-2011, 03:24 PM
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I would guess, Sarah, that the only dog you would allow yourself to own would be a feral wolf. All other breeds are cross bred genetically engineered animals bred to create specific traits...AKA different "breeds".
     
    10-24-2011, 03:27 PM
  #27
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But that's just IT. There IS no future of mixed breeding, as it stands now, that is any more harmful than single-species breeding (in the case of ligers, tigons, and the like--yes, they are fertile and can be mated back to lions or tigers, but how is that any worse than the inbreeding plaguing the current tiger population?). Mules and related animals are, for the most part, sterile, so no worries there. And as for your cat-pig, that's not going to happen through inbreeding. That's some kind of science fiction distant future laboratory genetic manipulation. Ethical problems with that, sure, but it's a far, far cry from a zony....or a stupid mule.

Allison, you can show Buddy. He's got plenty of stripes to go around.


     
    10-24-2011, 03:38 PM
  #28
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Allison, again, completely missing the point. I don't think I can say it anymore then I have already. ITS NOT THE PAST THAT CONCERNS ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS THE FUTURE!!!!! Holy crap! This is exhausting all my energy, so I am not going to comment anymore. I've put out way too much negative energy, and don't wish to use up anymore on this thread. Any educated person could see the point I was making about the FUTURE. NOT THE PAST.


Wow, I'm so glad I joined this forum. Everyone is so nice and welcoming.(<-- complete sarcasm.) Sheesh. Enjoy your Mules, they are fantastic and very useful around the farm, I just LOVE them. I am going Zony shopping now... See ya!
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    10-24-2011, 03:42 PM
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I would love showing a striped horse!
You could be like Sara Gruen's Annemarie with her brindled Hanoverian
     
    10-24-2011, 03:47 PM
  #30
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But what you have to say beyond this post means nothing to me, especially if you're going to waste negative energy.
And yet, you keep posting.

Sure, you're entitled to an opinion, but so is everyone else. Mules aren't pointless and have been proven to be able to do things that a horse simply cannot, regardless of what you might personally believe.

Just because you can't see the reasoning behind them doesn't make them either useless or pointless. In many ways, mules are far superior to horses. That's not an OPINION, that happens to be a FACT.

Also, what being more technologically advanced has to do with mules or even dogs for that matter, I have no clue.

You know, when you continually post yet the vast majority of people aren't 'getting it', maybe it's YOU and not everyone else who's the problem. But then, it couldn't possibly be your obtuse writing style and confusing posts. It must be that you're so far advanced intellectually, and the rest of us are just a bunch of grunting chimps compared to your stellar intelligence.
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