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post #11 of 21 Old 01-05-2013, 01:05 PM
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Grey can carry cream. I like to remind people that grey is like a blanket - the horse is a "normal" colour like chestnut, or bay dun, or smoky black, or whatever colour they are genetically, but the grey is covering it and hiding it. Hope that helps
But in this case its not gray like a gray horse, it's a gray dun donkey. So not a "grey"

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the foal looks like a palimino because of its white mane and gold body but if it is true that the mom is chestnut and the dad is grey dun then there is no possiable way she can be palamino, neither a chestnut nor a grey carry the creme gene. a palamino carries 1 copy of the creme gene (CCr)
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Way off topic, but where on earth do people keep finding "CCr" as an abbreviation for cream? It makes zero sense and just causes confusion with the two capitals (and last time I checked, cream is not spelled ccream).
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Yes, he's grey dun, not a greyed black. He hasn't changed colors since the day he was born and he's 16 years old.

Thats what I was curious about! I'm hoping that she'll be a bit more...refined when I clip her in the spring xD if I hadn't seen her come out of my mare's uterus with my own two eyes I'd be REALLY questioning if she were actually a donkey and not a horse.

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I don't think it's been mentioned in this thread yet, but donkey color genetics aren't the same as horse genetics. For example, their grey is not nearly the same as horse gray, so trying to predict the colors the same way isn't going to work.
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Way off topic, but where on earth do people keep finding "CCr" as an abbreviation for cream? It makes zero sense and just causes confusion with the two capitals (and last time I checked, cream is not spelled ccream).
Ccr is actually the correct way to denote cream in a horse. CC is negative for cream. CcrCcr is homozygous. CR is just a simplified version of it. Along with NCR.

Cream is the mutation on the gene. And pearl should be technically written as CprlCprl.
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Ccr is actually the correct way to denote cream in a horse. CC is negative for cream. CcrCcr is homozygous. CR is just a simplified version of it. Along with NCR.

Cream is the mutation on the gene. And pearl should be technically written as CprlCprl.

Cr is the correct way to notate the allele. Check out the labs that run the tests - how do they notate it? As Cr. The addition of the locus is superfluous when discussing it, as the only time it matters what locus it is at is when discussing pearl. That would be like saying EeEe is a red horse, EEE_ is a black one. We know that it's on the C locus, it doesn't need to be put every time.
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Ccr is actually the correct way to denote cream in a horse. CC is negative for cream. CcrCcr is homozygous. CR is just a simplified version of it. Along with NCR.

Cream is the mutation on the gene. And pearl should be technically written as CprlCprl.
Well then the labs must be wrong then... Considering they list cream as nn, nCr or CrCr... Not CCr...
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The labs use NCR and CRcr etc because it is easier for most people to understand. The technically correct way to list cream IS Ccr. That is straight from the researchers themselves.

If you actually read the research papers on them, its denoted as Ccr. Heres the abstract for you.
The cream dilution gene, responsible for the palo... [Anim Genet. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI

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An analysis of horse chromosome 21 using additional families confirmed and established a group of markers linked to Ccr
And heres a link to the original paper where they also use Ccr
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...6-35-1-119.pdf
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it doesn't need to be put every time.
Of course not. But to say that it's wrong and doesn't make sense to denote it as Ccr is completely incorrect. It adds more information. Sure that information may not be 100% needed, but it's not wrong to put it in there.
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I would say that the the filly will darken as she ages, to the color of what is in the middle of her forehead, and on her jaw just under the eye.
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