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        03-19-2013, 02:40 AM
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    Here's the foal of his that was just born. The mother is a spotted liver. I don't even know what you would call this color! But it's really pretty and different

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    Ok, I got some more pics! Although they aren't perfect, I think they will help maybe. I wish the lighting was better or I could take them out of the stalls in the daylight...but they aren't my horses

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    look at the color of the stud, he isn't black, or smokey black either, he's champagne, his eye color isn't blue, or brown it's an amberish color.. Those two foals are CHAMPAGNE, the one even has the "mottling"
         
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        03-19-2013, 03:36 AM
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    I was just researching pearl (I know its very rare and may be out there) but the mare seems to have some similar characteristics as some horses on this website. Thought to be just a plain liver chestnut, but carries the pearl gene. Pearl Colors

    Down the page further, there is a smoky black pearl who looks similar to the baby in question. If the stud is a smoky black, and the mare is either a) also smoky black or b) she in in fact a liver chestnut that carries pearl, either smoky cream or smoky black pearl would be possible.

    What breed are these horses?

    I'm by no means a color expert, just wanting to throw this out there.
         
        03-19-2013, 07:42 AM
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    look at the color of the stud, he isn't black, or smokey black either, he's champagne, his eye color isn't blue, or brown it's an amberish color.. Those two foals are CHAMPAGNE, the one even has the "mottling"
    Sire is not champagne.
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        03-19-2013, 08:04 AM
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    Originally Posted by toto    
    look at the color of the stud, he isn't black, or smokey black either, he's champagne, his eye color isn't blue, or brown it's an amberish color.. Those two foals are CHAMPAGNE, the one even has the "mottling"
    He is 100% NOT CHAMPAGNE. You need to read more about the champagne dilution. He is smokey black ( black + cream) the slight lightness to is iris can be caused by cream. The studs coat if he were champagne would be dilute as I showed you earlier. One copy of cream does not dilute the coat but champagne will. He is very clearly not diluted color wise since cream cannot effect the color unless you have two copies on a black base which is smokey cream the colts most likely color. The only rare dilution that I would test for fun is pearl. As it can have one copy and not show up unless there is another dilution to accompany it. Other then that I'd test for cream. The iris isn't even diluted that much now if it were like this then I'd e more inclined to test for champagne. I have a mare I'm testing for it though she may just be cream. This is closer to an amber eye you'd look for in a champagne diluted horse.


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        03-19-2013, 02:19 PM
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    the stud is a champagne. You can see his eyes are lighter than brown, but aint blue, and he is almost a grulla/coal color, not black.

    He also throws champagne foals.. every one of them were champagne-- you can tell the difference in cream, and champagne by eye color, and that foal doesn't look perlino to me.. coluld be.. if the eyes were blue, instead of an amberish/greenish color..

    I'm not sure where you got that every one of his foals was champagne...the only foals I mentioned were a previous pal and this one we're trying to figure out. All of his foals have not been champagne, pal, smoky cream, etc.
         
        03-19-2013, 02:25 PM
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    I'm not sure where you got that every one of his foals was champagne...the only foals I mentioned were a previous pal and this one we're trying to figure out. All of his foals have not been champagne, pal, smoky cream, etc.

    What? The foals you posted were champagne. I would like to see a picture of their eye color.

    A horse that has agouti can no produce a palomino foal.. the 'mean mare' that you showed and her foal.. that was no a palomino-- impossible.
         
        03-19-2013, 02:34 PM
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    What? The foals you posted were champagne. I would like to see a picture of their eye color.

    A horse that has agouti can no produce a palomino foal.. the 'mean mare' that you showed and her foal.. that was no a palomino-- impossible.
    What horse are you talking about that has agouti. There are no champagnes here. *FACE PALM*
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        03-19-2013, 02:40 PM
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    What? The foals you posted were champagne. I would like to see a picture of their eye color.

    A horse that has agouti can no produce a palomino foal.. the 'mean mare' that you showed and her foal.. that was no a palomino-- impossible.
    Also that's not necessarily true if the agouti horse is heterozygous and a red carrier. The chance is small though.
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        03-19-2013, 02:47 PM
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    A horse can be homozygous agouti and still produce a chestnut. They can be homozygous agouti and BE chestnut.

    Agouti has no bearing on producing chestnut offspring.
    Chiilaa and verona1016 like this.
         
        03-19-2013, 02:52 PM
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    A horse can be homozygous agouti and still produce a chestnut. They can be homozygous agouti and BE chestnut.

    Agouti has no bearing on producing chestnut offspring.

    Oh true I forgot about the dominance of the gene having an effect on expression
         

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