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post #101 of 201 Old 03-19-2013, 02:54 PM
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If the stud were smokey cream and heterozygous, there would be only one way to even tell, and that would be through testing.. his foal with the b&w mare wouldnt show smokey cream as a heterozygous form either.. the foal would look simply black..

As for the 'palomini' no, why? Because black is dominant over red.. 'ee' is red 'Ee' is black.. There is a forum of heterozygous arouti, 'a' but it wouldnt show as a bay horse. I agree with that.. but since the second foal with the buck mare isnt a perlino, it makes me think champagne.. it even has mottled skin on its muzzle, and amber eyes. 2 cream with agoutiwould be a perlino.. that horse is obviously amber cream.

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What horse are you talking about that has agouti. There are no champagnes here. *FACE PALM*
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Uhmm.. the buckskin mare has agouti, and a single cream gene.. lol.
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If the stud were smokey cream and heterozygous, there would be only one way to even tell, and that would be through testing.. his foal with the b&w mare wouldnt show smokey cream as a heterozygous form either.. the foal would look simply black..

As for the 'palomini' no, why? Because black id sominant over red.. 'ee' is red 'Ee' is black.. There are forums of heterozygous arouty, but it wouldnt show as a bay horse. I agree with that.. but since the second foal with the buck mare isnt a perlino, it makes me think champagne.. it even has mottled skin on its muzzle, and amber eyes. 2 cream with agoutiwould be a perlino.. that horse is obviously amber cream.
The buckskin mare has not had a foal yet. The foal in question has a smokey black sire and were pretty sure a smokey black dam. Now like I said before they each have one cream gene. One cream on black does not dilute the coat color. If either of these horses were champagne on black their coat would be diluted. If both parents are smokey black then the foal seems to have inherited a cream gene from each parent making him homozygous cream on black aka smokey cream!

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Uhmm.. the buckskin mare has agouti, and a single cream gene.. lol.
obviously...... but she has not had her foal by this sire yet..........

also we can tell the stud is smokey black through his offspring there is no need to test

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Ok, I got some more pics! Although they aren't perfect, I think they will help maybe. I wish the lighting was better or I could take them out of the stalls in the daylight...but they aren't my horses

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^THIS foal is Champagne..



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The stud in question is obviously diluted, he is not jet black.. Look at his eyes, they aint brown, or blue, they're amberish colored.. His coat is a charcoal color, not jet black.. just look again. His mane is darker than his body..
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obviously...... but she has not had her foal by this sire yet..........

also we can tell the stud is smokey black through his offspring there is no need to test

im not tryin to sound cocky, im just sayin' i'll pay for the test if he is cream, you can pay if he is champagne?
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The stud in question is obviously diluted, he is not jet black.. Look at his eyes, they aint brown, or blue, they're amberish colored.. His coat is a charcoal color, not jet black.. just look again. His mane is darker than his body..
I know he is dilute he is black with heterozygous cream. And for like the 10th time cream CAN dilute the iris of the eye. Also many blacks sunfade his coat is not diluted.

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im not tryin to sound cocky, im just sayin' i'll pay for the test if he is cream, you can pay if he is champagne?
I think were going to have to agree to disagree. Good debate though . I already have one I'm testing for cream, champagne, and pearl she is a bit of an oddball.
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toto, so you are saying this diluted foal is Champagne? Do you think cream+champagne? Or just champagne? And do you think it's on a black or red based?

Just curious.
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I see ACC up there I'm curious for her imput!

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