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    03-19-2013, 04:32 PM
  #111
Yearling
The mare of the foal in question has eyes like the stallion.....not sure if that tid bit helps. I feel lost in the sauce now!
     
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    03-19-2013, 04:32 PM
  #112
Trained
Toto thinks champagne due to the OP calling the foal champagne.

Toto the pic of the sire is not one to judge eye color with due to the flash of the camera.

Foal is a smokey cream impo. No champagne.
     
    03-19-2013, 04:34 PM
  #113
Trained
Toto - The eye in this picture is on a smokey black (black + one cream).

     
    03-19-2013, 04:34 PM
  #114
Yearling
Both the mare and the stallion have light colored eyes
     
    03-19-2013, 05:45 PM
  #115
Banned
If the stud was really a smoky black.. Lets say he was-- the very first foal (who is obviously classic champagne) would instead be a palomino, since that mare was what the OP says to be 'liver chestnut'

IMO the last foal is champagne-- it just might be cream also, but absolutely not on the stud's part.. I'm going with classic champagne, whitch is black based, and if the mare is 'smoky black' then I'm going with classic ivory.

'Smoky cream' horses look similar to a perlino.. This horse does not look perlino, or anywhere close..
     
    03-19-2013, 05:58 PM
  #116
Banned
Just throwing it out there, the mare y'all are callin 'smoky black' is a tri color.. if the stud was 'smoky black' the foal would be a buck.. I did think the foal looked more amber-- the first foal in picture is definitely classic.

Make sense? Lol.
     
    03-19-2013, 06:02 PM
  #117
Foal
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Originally Posted by toto    
If the stud was really a smoky black.. Lets say he was-- the very first foal (who is obviously classic champagne) would instead be a palomino, since that mare was what the OP says to be 'liver chestnut'
Unless the mare was smoky black as well. Which I, and others believe she is. Then this foal could easily be a double dilute.

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I'm going with classic champagne, whitch is black based, and if the mare is 'smoky black' then I'm going with classic ivory.
Then you have obviously not seen a classic champagne, or classic cream foal.

Because this is a Classic champagne foal.


Now, unless I'm mistaken that looks nothing like the foal in question.

And neither does this classic cream.


Look at how dark the mane and tail are.

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'Smoky cream' horses look similar to a perlino.. This horse does not look perlino, or anywhere close..
However the foal in question DOES look like these perlino and smoky creams.



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Just throwing it out there, the mare y'all are callin 'smoky black' is a tri color.
Tri color is just a descriptive term and can describe any mulitude of colors. And if you honestly use "tri-color" to describe a horses color, no wonder you are getting into disagreements with people about color. Because you aren't even using proper terms.

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the first foal in picture is definitely classic.
If you think the foal is classic, then see above. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about if you think it looks classic.
     
    03-19-2013, 06:10 PM
  #118
Yearling
Toto there has been photos of only one foal in this thread. The same smokey cream foal (black + two cream genes) has been posted several times. There was mention of a palomino foal from a previous year, but no photos of it have been posted.

The OP said that the mare that is a liver chestnut is the dam of the smokey cream foal. She does not appear to be an actual liver chestnut (that was what the owners of the mare call it, but it does not visually look like a chestnut of any form), but is almost certainly a smokey black. No photos of sufficient quality have been posted of the stallion to make any sort of assessment of color, only a description from the OP, which does not rule out smokey black. It is obvious, based on the double dilute foal, that both sire and dam carry one cream gene.

There is nothing about the smokey cream foal that looks like a champagne, and nothing about either sire or dam of the foal that does either.
     
    03-19-2013, 06:12 PM
  #119
Foal
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Originally Posted by toto    
If the stud was really a smoky black.. Lets say he was-- the very first foal (who is obviously classic champagne) would instead be a palomino, since that mare was what the OP says to be 'liver chestnut'

IMO the last foal is champagne-- it just might be cream also, but absolutely not on the stud's part.. I'm going with classic champagne, whitch is black based, and if the mare is 'smoky black' then I'm going with classic ivory.

'Smoky cream' horses look similar to a perlino.. This horse does not look perlino, or anywhere close..
I don't get why you're saying it doesn't look like a perlino or a smokey cream horse. I've seen a lot of cremellos/perlinos/smokey creams and she absolutely looks like one. I also know a smokey black that has always been called liver chestnut because she bleaches that much in summer (we know she's smokey black as she's out of a perlino who throws only smokey or buckskin.) It's easily just a mistaken color. That foal is absolutely not champagne to me (and I'm only seeing one foal). You also mentioned mottling. That mottling to me, just looks like the bumps that a lot of double dilute foals I've seen get. (Might be others as well, I just know that the cremello filly I halter broke and tamed for a friend had the exact same bumps until she was 4 months old as well as the other doubles from the same breeder)
Here are some links to smoky cream foals and horses (pulled off Google):
foal
another foal
adult
     
    03-19-2013, 06:16 PM
  #120
Foal
Someone asked for my opinion? Easy, smokey cream. The parents are both clearly smokey blacks and it's obvious champagne is in no way involved here. That deal of Toto paying for the test if the foal is cream, TAKE IT. What a steal. ;)

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