My mare is due to foal any time, and the anticipation of what she's hiding in there is killing me! I don't know history on either her or the studs parents as far as coloration goes. My mare is a buckskin tobiano, and the stud is a spotted black. Well, he's not even really black, it's more of a deep charcoal color. He has fathered palominos, spotted, a sorrel (mare was sorel spotted) and just recently a foal that looks either champagne or a smoky cream maybe. Not sure because the mare is a devil and I can't get close to see in the stall.
I'm curious, was the mother of the palomino a palomino or cremello herself? Because if not, I'm going to say he's smokey black. If so, depending on her genes you could get (based on my research because cream fascinates me. The color experts here probably know a lot more than me):
Definite possibilities just based on their appearances (Provided he's smokey black):
bay
buckskin
perlino
If she's a carrier for sorrel:
sorrel
palomino
cremello
If she's a carrier for black:
black
smokey black
smokey cream
^My guesses but like I said before, I've only dabbled in color research and I have absolutely no idea when it comes to spots
That was bad wording on my part. I was trying to say if she‘s heterozygous for agouti. If she‘s homozygous she‘ll never have a black foal, just bays, correct? Posted via Mobile Device
The mother of the palomino was not a cremello or palomino. I can't remember which mare had that one, it was definitely a spotted mare because that's all he has. So she was either liver, sorrel, or black. All spotted. I'm going to post a pic of a foal of his that was just born also.
But here's another pic of the stallion. Sorry It's not that good, he wouldn't stand still and the lighting was crappy.
Here's the foal of his that was just born. The mother is a spotted liver. I don't even know what you would call this color! But it's really pretty and different
Here's the foal of his that was just born. The mother is a spotted liver. I don't even know what you would call this color! But it's really pretty and different
The black that's on the stallion is not a regular black. It's lighter like a charcoal or something. And he's kept stalled so I know for a fact he isn't sun bleached. He is actually more white than anything else. Would he still be considered tobiano then?
what I am trying to see on him is a head shot from the side. The last pic of him in the first post makes me think that he might be brown and not black, but that could be a trick of lighting.
If that foal is out of a red mare then it can't be a smokey cream as that is a double dilute. Red based diluted once is palomino and twice is cremello.
Brown is a variation of bay and can be at times, very hard to tell from black. As for the foal's color, I would like to see pics of him in daylight out of the barn. How old is he now?
How do I know? lots and lots of research and learning :lol:
The foal is just a couple days old. I'll get a pic outside as soon as the owner turns them out. He hasn't yet and since it's not my horse I'm not going to lol. Plus this mare is hateful! Here is a pic of it with the mare:
I "think" the foal out of the chestnut mare will end up being palomino, though he does look an odd shade. I would also love to see photos in natural light. Do you know what color the foal's eyes are?
You have many color possibilities if the sire is smokey black and your mare is buckskin.
And your chance of a chestut is VERY SMALL (like 2%), so it would be unlikely that is what you will get.
Ok, I just tried the color calculator, but I have no idea if she carries the red gene, is homozygous for agouti, etc. Same for the stallion. But based on what I did know the highest probability came back as buckskin tobiano, just like her
So, after doing some googling....I'm wondering if the foal posted above is a Perlino?? Based on my color calcs for my mare and the stallion (assuming he's smoky black)
Your mare is Crcr, E_, and A_. She has at least one copy of agouti because she is a buckskin. Agouti turns black into bay, which becomes buckskin with the addition of cream. Do you know what color her parents are? If one is red-based (chestnut, palomino, cremello, etc), she would be Ee or if one was black, she'd be Aa. We could possibly figure out those based on parents.
Oh, and not sure if it's worth mentioning, but the stallion's eyes are light, almost an amber color
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