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    03-19-2013, 05:50 PM
  #141
Trained
No that is a white leg. The previous post of yours with the mare and foal in the stall is the same mare and foal in this quote -
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Originally Posted by EmsTNWalkers    
Actually I got a few, I was so distracted by the foal I forgot about her mostly

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    03-19-2013, 05:52 PM
  #142
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Originally Posted by toto    
Is that not a solid leg by the foal's buttock? What is happeninggg?! Lol.
That would be a very dirty white leg.
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    03-19-2013, 05:57 PM
  #143
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Originally Posted by Peppy Barrel Racing    
He is not champagne. Boy I thought I was stubborn . The foal is obviously to us at least, not champagne but double cream.
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I aint stubborn-- I just need more logical explanation behind why the stud isnt champagne.. we really don't even know untill he's tested.. this is like watching a movie, and when it starts gettin good "to be continued" I want to know how the movie ends!!

Okay okay.. if the foal with the OP's buck mare.. and that is a buckskin tobiano mare, right?
If she has a perlino foal, I can put this to rest in my mind. But, what if she has a amber champagne foal?
     
    03-19-2013, 06:03 PM
  #144
Trained
Yes the OP's mare is a buckskin tobiano.
     
    03-19-2013, 07:54 PM
  #145
Yearling
Dang, sorry for posting such crappy pics in the beginning and causing so much confusion....

Just to recap, there is only one mare and one foal, my buck tobiano, and the stud that I posted pics of.

I did mention that this stud has also thrown a palomino foal, and I found out today it was not with this mare but a different black mare! I feel like Jerry Springer up in here with who's baby daddy and what baby is who's LOL.

Also, If my memory serves me correctly, the sire of the stallion was a sorrell! I will find out for sure next time I see the owner, and also find out about the dam.

The problem is, I've learned that what someone calls a black horse may not be a black horse, a brown not a brown, etc. So I can't really go on what the owner says anyways!!
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    03-19-2013, 08:00 PM
  #146
Yearling
I got a pic of the mare's eye color this afternoon. If it matters even

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    03-19-2013, 08:08 PM
  #147
Green Broke
Toto - this is a classic champagne:



Granted, the pictures of the stallion are not amazing, but I still don't see any possible way to mistake him for champagne:



Champagne + black is unmistakably different from black. There is no way to mix the two up. Cream + black is almost always impossible to tell without testing, they look just like a normal black horse. The only way to tell without testing is if one of the parents could only pass on cream, or if the 'black' horse produces a cream foal from a definite non cream mate. In this case, we have a clear double dilute foal produced from two 'non-dilute' horses, so we can easily say that both of them are single dilute creams.

Check this out for comparison. The first foal is our suspect case from this thread. The second is a confirmed smoky cream - a black based horse with two cream genes:



     
    03-19-2013, 08:15 PM
  #148
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That mare's eye is just regular brown, lol.

I know what classic champagne is-- not to sound like a snob-- but there can also be darker variations ..that one in particular seems almost amber champagne to me, actually.

Eh, in that picture, its hard to tell, but the one where you can really see his eyes, and how charcoal his body is compared to his forelock, It makes me wonder.

I understand smoky cream is black based with 2 cream genes, but the one in the above picture does look very dark, and has a more crispe, darker coloring, the actual smokey cream foal below looks very cream to me.
     
    03-19-2013, 08:20 PM
  #149
Yearling
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Originally Posted by toto    
That mare's eye is just regular brown, lol.

I know what classic champagne is-- not to sound like a snob-- but there can also be darker variations ..that one in particular seems almost amber champagne to me, actually.

Eh, in that picture, its hard to tell, but the one where you can really see his eyes, and how charcoal his body is compared to his forelock, It makes me wonder.

I understand smoky cream is black based with 2 cream genes, but the one in the above picture does look very dark, and has a more crispe, darker coloring, the actual smokey cream foal below looks very cream to me.

Her eyes are lighter than just regular brown, IMO. But hey, I'm no expert and am just going off of my experiences with my horses and horses at the barn, plus those I've had in the past etc.
     
    03-19-2013, 08:27 PM
  #150
Green Broke
Sure looks cream to me when it is in better light... Bear in mind that the comparison foal that I posted, the picture has been taken using a far better camera, by someone that knows how to use is in a dark stall. They have used a flash, and correct settings on their camera. The photos of the foal in question (in the stall) are not taken in a way that shows the true colour. The ones outside, in natural light, are far more accurate.

     

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