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  • Blue eyes in appaloosas

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    10-23-2012, 05:51 PM
  #21
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by caljane    
As for a sabino pattern - maybe, his feet markings are not very "clean" which can be a sign for sabino - as well as the blue eye. But it could be normal markings mixed with some freak Appaloosa gene, too, I have seen Quarter Horses with no sign of Sabino nowhere in their pedigree but partial or full blue eyes.
The reason you see non-sabino horses with blue eyes is probably because they are not related to sabino. Blue eyes are currently thought to be caused by frame and splash, not sabino.
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    10-23-2012, 06:59 PM
  #22
Foal
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
The reason you see non-sabino horses with blue eyes is probably because they are not related to sabino. Blue eyes are currently thought to be caused by frame and splash, not sabino.
Sorry, I wasn't very clear here - for example we have a sorrel filly (AQHA) with two partial blue eyes with a pedigree where neither the sire nor the dam family show any signs of any overo pattern.
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    10-23-2012, 07:05 PM
  #23
Weanling
This thread has been really helpful to me too! :)
     
    10-23-2012, 07:25 PM
  #24
Banned
Aw come on, guys...Appys come in the same colors as any other horse. Just think of the lesser breeds as being like Walmart jeans, whereas Appys are those pricey, fancy designer jeans dressed up with bling and foo-foo...

Why settle for plain old chestnut when you can have this?



Or this?


And what could be more boring than an off-the-rack palomino? Why not go with the best, add some bangles, and put some zest in your life?



And as for Bay, who wants a plain old bay that walks on to a western movie set and disappears into the herd? Go for the gusto...



COMING...



OR GOING...




You can't beat an Appy...
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    10-23-2012, 07:29 PM
  #25
Trained
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Originally Posted by caljane    
Sorry, I wasn't very clear here - for example we have a sorrel filly (AQHA) with two partial blue eyes with a pedigree where neither the sire nor the dam family show any signs of any overo pattern.

Splash and sabino ARE "overo" patterns and all white is either caused by a pinto gene such as splash or sabino, or by LP or PATN.
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    10-23-2012, 07:30 PM
  #26
Weanling
I know I love my Appaloosas even though they don't have much bling. :)
     
    10-23-2012, 07:55 PM
  #27
Foal
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Originally Posted by NdAppy    
Splash and sabino ARE "overo" patterns and all white is either caused by a pinto gene such as splash or sabino, or by LP or PATN.
Yes ... did I say something different? Sorry, misunderstanding then!
     
    10-23-2012, 08:06 PM
  #28
Trained
Nope, but I am clarifying.

If ha horse has blue eyes, whether it be full or partial, they have some sort of "overo" or "pinto" gene causing it. Just because the horses in the pedigree didn't personally show it doesn't mean it's not there.
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    10-23-2012, 08:22 PM
  #29
Foal
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Originally Posted by NdAppy    
Nope, but I am clarifying.

If ha horse has blue eyes, whether it be full or partial, they have some sort of "overo" or "pinto" gene causing it. Just because the horses in the pedigree didn't personally show it doesn't mean it's not there.
Okay, not totally disagreeing here, except that the question is: would that same gene that causes the partial blue eyes also be able to cause excessive white markings? I am not sure if that question can be answered since the overo genes are still not entirely decoded. But since there are no excessive white markings to be found in this fillies broader family tree I would almost say "no" - without proof, of course :) - and now - what defines an Overo gene? Is a blue eye by definiton always an overo or pinto treat? Can it not be just a blue eye? A Cremello has blue eyes but does not have to be an overo.

How did we get from a pretty appaloosa stud colt to overo-gen causing blue eyes?
     
    10-23-2012, 10:51 PM
  #30
Green Broke
Any white, not related to the Lp complex, is a form of an "overo"--splash, frame, sabino--working. Got a blaze? Wahooo gotch some overo! Maybe just a snip, or star, or sock? Still overo!
     

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