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        10-29-2013, 11:09 PM
      #1
    Foal
    Appaloosa and/or what?

    Sorry for the bad pictures, weather wasn't very cooperative and the tan color on her hind quarters is dirt, no weird buckskin pattern
    Her base color is bay or brown, but what is her pattern?
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        10-29-2013, 11:24 PM
      #2
    Started
    Very cool appy. Appy genetics are a weak point for me we need Faceman. Looks like a snow cap and vanish. But that's all I can tell you
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        10-30-2013, 12:10 AM
      #3
    Weanling
    The pattern reminds me of my old horse Travis, except the white on your mare's neck and face.

    I was told Travis was a snowcap, but do not know about the influence of any other patterns. I'll be looking for more replies here.

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        10-30-2013, 09:08 AM
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    Yearling
    Everything but her legs looks like a fewspot to me, but I'm not sure they're allowed to have that much color on them.

    Do you have any pictures of her younger? Did she start out looking like this or roaned out white?

    I'd guess she's a snow cap that's varnished out more, but hard to tell without a foal pic.

    She's pretty, I like how her legs are solid.
         
        10-30-2013, 09:41 AM
      #5
    Weanling
    This looks like an extensive snowcap to me too. I have never seen the snowcap extend all the way onto the face like that, but this doesn't mean it's not possible. Very cool horse!
         
        10-30-2013, 10:17 AM
      #6
    Started
    Bay based snowcap with varnish roan.
         
        10-30-2013, 03:38 PM
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    Do you know the sire and dam? She looks to be a Pintaloosa to me. If so, her Appy pattern is blanket and varnish roan, overlaid with a Paint (Pinto) pattern. If she is a Pintaloosa, obviously she could not be a fewspot or snowcap.

    If she IS all Appy, which I doubt, but is possible, her pattern would be blanket and varnish roan with a snowcap phenotype - could be a true or faux snowcap...
         
        10-30-2013, 04:00 PM
      #8
    Foal
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    Do you know the sire and dam? She looks to be a Pintaloosa to me. If so, her Appy pattern is blanket and varnish roan, overlaid with a Paint (Pinto) pattern. If she is a Pintaloosa, obviously she could not be a fewspot or snowcap.

    If she IS all Appy, which I doubt, but is possible, her pattern would be blanket and varnish roan with a snowcap phenotype - could be a true or faux snowcap...
    Her sire/dam are not known and she is not registered. My first thought was, too, "Pintaloosa", a snowcap mixed with a frame overo. But by now I've seen several pictures of snowcaps, and I don't see an overo pattern anymore (except, of course, the leg markings, but they would not make me call a horse "pintaloosa" the same than a solid horse with a star is not a "pinto" in my eyes )
         
        10-30-2013, 05:25 PM
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    Again, the horse could be all Appy, but the facial markings in particular are extremely atypical of Appy markings and show a Paint pattern, and the large base colormarking under the neck - which is between the white of the face and white of the neck, scream Pintaloosa to me. Pintaloosas typically and most often have an Appy pattern in the rear and a Pinto pattern in the front...so what I see is a large blanketed Appy pattern in the rear and a Pinto pattern in the front - all being affected by the Appy varnish roaning. I could be wrong - it is hard to make a definitive guess on this horse as she is blanketed to the shoulder, but that would be my guess nonetheless. Perhaps NDAppy will check in with her opinion...she isn't on now and I checked FB and she's not on there either, but she'll show up at some point...
         
        10-31-2013, 09:27 AM
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    Trained
    This one is kind of borderline, but I've seen similar patterns on "pure" appaloosas. It's rare but it does happen. (example - DREA JESTER RED EAGLE, DREA FOUNDATION APPALOOSA and http://www.appaloosa.co.nz/progeny/whitelight.shtml)

    When I've seen the color/white like that on the neck on pintaloosas the legs are not dark due to the pinto pattern putting white on the legs.

    This is one that I would want to test for pinto patterns (tobiano, frame, splash) before saying definitively one way or the other.
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