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    01-24-2012, 10:20 AM
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Green Broke
She is a brown. Bays and browns have a lot of the same characteristics.
But browns are better.
Why?
Because.
They are Bad Ass.
     
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    01-24-2012, 01:24 PM
  #22
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Originally Posted by NdAppy    
Varnish is not greying. It is a completely different process.
so I have a question. What is the difference between a roan and a grey? I was under the impression that roans are born their "roan" color and stay that way where as a grey starts as a solid (or more solid in the case of appaloosas) and grey out as they age. In that case... what happens with the spots?
     
    01-24-2012, 01:26 PM
  #23
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Originally Posted by crimsonsky    
so I have a question. What is the difference between a roan and a grey? I was under the impression that roans are born their "roan" color and stay that way where as a grey starts as a solid (or more solid in the case of appaloosas) and grey out as they age. In that case... what happens with the spots?
I don't know much but both greys and roans are born solid.
     
    01-24-2012, 01:43 PM
  #24
Foal

A Blue Roan with dark points



A Red Roan with dark points. Sometimes refered as "Strawberry roans"



A Bay Roan with dark points.


These pictures above are 'true roans'. It is a seperate gene from a varnished roan that Appaloosas tend to carry. Here are some pictures below of some varnished roans.


A Bay Varnished (can also be few spot) roan.


A Chestnut Varnished Roan.



Another Bay Varnished Roan.
     
    01-24-2012, 03:02 PM
  #25
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So a varnish is similar in a way to a grey? As in... they change color over time but leave more of the base color? Sorry if these are silly questions. :/
     
    01-24-2012, 03:09 PM
  #26
Foal
Varnish does whiten over time in some horses. I have a Varnished Chestnut Appaloosa, he was born as a solid chestnut with a white blanket over his butt, but when he reached his 2 year old year he varnished out. He has remained that color, and hasn't gotten any whiter as he aged. He is now 21.

I do not know if you can have a grey gene along with the varnished factor. But, I can't see why not. All the grey gene is, its just a 'cover' factor over whatever base color your horse is.
     
    01-24-2012, 04:02 PM
  #27
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Argh!! Crazy color genetics. Hahaha :P
     
    01-24-2012, 04:03 PM
  #28
Trained
Varnish Roan Progression Slide show. Click it to watch it.

     
    01-24-2012, 04:19 PM
  #29
Weanling
The owner of Annie sent me baby pictures today, and here they are. She was a solid "bay" with the star, snip and a small blanket.

As a new born


At 6 months


And at a year
     
    01-24-2012, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by crimsonsky    
so a varnish is similar in a way to a grey? As in... they change color over time but leave more of the base color? Sorry if these are silly questions. :/
Sort of similar, but with some differences. Grey normally works with a front to rear trend, while Appy "roaning" (I prefer the term coloring out to avoid confusion with a regular roan) normally works with a rear to front trend. Appy coloring out normally leaves behind "varnish" marks on the hip and shoulder points and the flanks, thus the term varnish roan, and coloring out in an Appy can be present at birth, or not start till they are as old as 5 or 6, can progress at different speeds, and can virtually stop anywhere in the coloring out process.

Sinister, conventional roans are not necessarily born solid - most are not. Appy varnish roans may or may not be born solid, but as with greys there are almost always subtle indicators on "solid" foals that they are actually varnish roans. Of course unless one or both parents are homozygous, there is always a chance a foal may be a true solid...
     

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