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post #11 of 64 Old 11-27-2012, 08:18 PM
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I suppose I would agree frame for the face, but the body whites trait toward Tobiano because of the chest and flank area being colored and it going over the back/whithers, isn't it rare for frame to have 'ghosting' compared to Tobiano? Just curious.

also, I'd say she defiantly a black that just fades.
Frame on its own won't usually cause the "ghosting", but tobiano does. So it is not unusual to see it on a horse with other patterns. And there is a slight look of frame in the way the body white is trying to go horizontal on the body on each side, and how it is going up the neck. Tobiano doesn't just dislike face white - it seems to not want to cause any white from the withers forward unless another pattern is present IME.

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Frame on its own won't usually cause the "ghosting", but tobiano does. So it is not unusual to see it on a horse with other patterns. And there is a slight look of frame in the way the body white is trying to go horizontal on the body on each side, and how it is going up the neck. Tobiano doesn't just dislike face white - it seems to not want to cause any white from the withers forward unless another pattern is present IME.
Yea, I would agree with that. Tobiano seems to always follow that mold.

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Black Tobiano and I don't see any frame IMHO. Frame generally is found in the Overo pattern.

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[quote=PonyPainter;1783026]Black Tobiano and I don't see any frame IMHO.

It is very common for pinto horses to have more than one pattern.
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Black Tobiano and I don't see any frame IMHO. Frame generally is found in the Overo pattern.
Then what's causing the face white? As stated before, tobiano doesn't allow white on the face. Any of the four "big white genes" (tobiano, overo, frame and sabino) can be present on a horse in any combination. I learned that with my gelding.
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Looks like a Tobi to me.
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Tobiano does not cause face white, as stated above.
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Tobiano (pronounced: tow be yah' no)

The dark color usually covers one or both flanks.

Generally, all four legs are white, at least below the hocks and knees.

Generally, the spots are regular and distinct as ovals or round patterns that extend down over the neck and chest, giving the appearance of a shield.

Head markings are like those of a solid-colored horse--solid, or with a blaze, strip, star or snip.

A tobiano may be either predominantly dark or white.

The tail is often two colors.

Looks like regular face markings to me.. That's why I say it's a Tobiano.
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Where is that definition from and when was it published?
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APHA.Com - Tobiano Pattern
I have no idea when it was published.. I know, it has always been on that sight though.. I would also like to say, That horse looks like a dark bay to me. The Mane is dark black, and if it was a fading black, the mane would fade too..
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