Bamber: Grullo or Smoky Bay pinto?

His dam was much like him, only a smidge lighter in color. Almost a buckskin? His sire died earlier this year, bit if I'm not mistaken the owner's said he was a Palomino. He had his half-sister on site, and she looked almost palomino paint.

It's hard to see, but the three are here. His dam, Atreyu, half-sister (?), and Bamber. I wish I'd have taken more pictures when I went to the go-see. :/

Based on that picture and what you just said I'm going to say he is a sooty buckskin.

Maybe a smoky black?

Smoky black doesn't look any different than fading black. Genetic testing is the only way to be 100% for smoky black, you can't look at a horse and see any difference.

Looks like a dark buckskin or a brownskin to me.

Agree with NDappy, my money's on sooty/smutty buckskin. I think by smoky bay you mean buckskin?

Definately a buckskin. (tobiano if you are currious about the pattern)

And definitely not a grullo.

I think what I meant is Sooty, not smoky. Lol My boss has a horse, registered dark bay, who has been called a "sooty" bay; they're similar, so that's what I thought of.

Dug up some more pictures; any more opinions are appreciated. :) He does have a dorsal stripe, too. (I'm told buckskin's do not have the stripe?)

The one pic where you see his dorsal, it doesn't look like a dun made dorsal but countershading to me.


Here is a good example - Two are dun, one is countershading... Which is the countershading?