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  • Brown versus bay in horse color genetics
  • Horse colors bay versus brown

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    11-15-2012, 08:59 AM
  #31
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Glynnis- I would have thought your horse was brown. The only reason I was convinced drifter was bay because he did not shed out lighter on the muzzle last winter, but now he has. I am excited to see what the tests say.

And thank you! I think he's pretty great but I'm also kind of biased :) he is an Appendix, but more TB than anything. There is not a lot of QH in the QH side of his lines, but oh well
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    11-15-2012, 09:22 AM
  #32
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Originally Posted by Glynnis    
Hi Drifting Shadow, I would lean towards bay, but I'm a little shaky on the brown vs. bay debate myself. I'd like to hear what the genetic test says. I just recently learned (through this forum in fact!) that my horse, who I've always thought was bay, is more likely classified as brown. I've included some pictures of her below. Colour can be confusing sometimes - I'm still trying to wrap my head around it!

P.S. Your horse is cute, what breed is he?

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Oh yeah, your girl is definitely what we call a BAB - a bad ass brown
     
    11-15-2012, 10:42 AM
  #33
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I really like his coloring, he's like a pretty blood bay (at least that's what it looks like in the pictures) But yea I would have to say he is a bay.
     
    11-16-2012, 12:40 AM
  #34
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I'm going to say he is definitely a bay. He has gorgeous face markings by the way!
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    11-16-2012, 04:52 PM
  #35
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Thank you allaround! And yes jumpinggirl, if he is indeed a bay I would say he is a blood bay. Sent the DNA sample in yesterday. Now to just wait and see...

*whistles jeopardy tune*
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    11-18-2012, 10:59 PM
  #36
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All of my bay horses get lighter noses in the winter... With the black points I have no doubt that he is bay.
     
    11-18-2012, 11:10 PM
  #37
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All of my bay horses get lighter noses in the winter... With the black points I have no doubt that he is bay.
Brown horses DO have BLACK POINTS too. If you bays are getting noticeably lighter noses in winter, chances are they are brown too.
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    11-18-2012, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
Brown horses DO have BLACK POINTS too. If you bays are getting noticeably lighter noses in winter, chances are they are brown too.
I don't consider blood bays that get light noses in the winter browns at all. They are definitely bay and I would know.. I have a gelding that is dark brown/bay and his nose depending on the time can get lighter but my other bays that are red brown still get light noses.
     
    11-18-2012, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TaraBearaIsBack    
I don't consider blood bays that get light noses in the winter browns at all. They are definitely bay and I would know.. I have a gelding that is dark brown/bay and his nose depending on the time can get lighter but my other bays that are red brown still get light noses.
Ok, I get this. They have brown bodies and black points, ergo they must be bay. I get that all your life you have been told this. However, science has passed the point where we just have to blindly believe that. The gene that causes brown as opposed to bay has been isolated. It does exist. It is a mutation of the bay gene, so still restricts black to the points of the horse. The visible difference is that a bay horse stays an even colour all year round - a brown horse will usually have a change of colour from season to season, and the colouring does not stay even, instead the "soft" parts of the horse are paler (muzzle, elbow, flank etc.).
     
    12-13-2012, 03:18 PM
  #40
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DNA results are in! He is AT/A. So...bay...right? I am on my phone now but when I get back to the house later I will take a picture of the results for you all
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