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    07-03-2011, 01:19 PM
Originally Posted by AngieLee    
colour and color are both the correct spelling FYI just depends which area your in/live in.

Okay.... this thread is actually really intresting. I'v learned so much! But still confused lol ok what happens if a horse is black and sheds out into a dark bay. Can that happen or would he be brown?

This is Norman. I was told he was a bay but I never really agree'd with it... brown right? Or am I wrong? Just applying my gut feeling and what I just learned lol
Winter coat


Or what about my boy?


Now: this was just taken the other day after a bath

He temporaily went REALLY light and looked like this. This was mid way through his shed out.

I would say the first one is brown and second is black, but that is just a guess, so someone with more knowledge then I have can probably correct me if I'm wrong
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    07-03-2011, 09:59 PM
Originally Posted by LuvMyPerlinoQH    
Well Maybe they don't have knowledge of "colour" but the have some knowledge of color.
Colour is the correct spelling in the English language. There are plenty of words that are spelled differently in the US than they are in other parts of the world, they still mean the same thing.

What would you register a smoky black as with the AQHA? They don't seem to recognise it as a colour. What about smoky cream? What about brown buckskin? These are all colours that are possible given the colours the AQHA recognise(oh look, no 'z' in that one!), but they don't recognise those colours? What about this 'white' that they do recognise, and yet the picture they use for that on their colour chart is the same horse they use for the cremello colour in their 'genetics' booklet. Even their 'genetics' booklet is full of holes and misinformation - the biggest one I saw was that chestnut/sorrel cannot carry other colours - yet agouti can be carried by a red horse and not expressed. And it always makes my eyes roll to see them list chestnut and sorrel as two different colours, when genetically they are the EXACT SAME THING.

Angielee - the first horse is a brown. The second looks like a fading black to me
    07-04-2011, 12:00 AM
I would like to put in my two cents and point out that someone who apparently owns a perlino QH should know that perlino and cremello weren't recognized as colours by the AQHA until recently..

Either way, I don't understand what the problem with owning a brown horse is with many people. One of the only brown horses I've seen in person was one of the most beautiful mares I've seen in a while.
    07-04-2011, 08:41 AM
Green Broke
I'd say Norman is Brown, and the last one is a Fading Black.
    07-04-2011, 06:43 PM
Green Broke
Question - does mealy not exist anymore, or have they discovered that mealy is associated strictly with brown? In any case, what would prevent a bay horse from having mealy?

The original horse on the thread is definitely brown IMO.
    07-04-2011, 07:31 PM
-giggle- This is why most registries have the option for "Dark Bay/Brown" instead of one or the other.
    07-04-2011, 08:00 PM
Here's Woodstock in his summer coat.



And the old man, Hondo
    07-04-2011, 10:08 PM
Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
Question - does mealy not exist anymore, or have they discovered that mealy is associated strictly with brown? In any case, what would prevent a bay horse from having mealy?
Mealy is also known as Pangare. Current research, with the test now available for brown, suggests that it doesn't act on black hair. It can be seen on chestnuts and bays. The most common pangare you will see is on Fjords - that cute pale muzzle and the lighter underside is pangare I believe that Exmoors are required to have pangare also, otherwise they may be denied registration.

You can see the pale underside well in this photo.

This filly is showing pangare. Neither of her parents are grey, so she is not going to grey out. It is pretty rare to find pangare in Arabians, so she is quite special
    07-04-2011, 10:12 PM
MF - Bay on the top, possible brown in the middle, and brown on the old man
    07-04-2011, 10:12 PM
Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
-giggle- This is why most registries have the option for "Dark Bay/Brown" instead of one or the other.
They shouldn't though

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