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    03-29-2013, 04:03 PM
I am so confused about the true bay thing because I also have a bay who I thought was a true bay really isn't because she has light points during the winter? I'm confused.


Although I'm confused about that. My mind has also been blown because the filly who I thought was a bay, who is registered as a bay (I didn't register her) is really brown. I see where I (and everyone else) went wrong in mistaking her for a bay.


So I thought I had 2 bays but in reality I have a bay and a brown? Or 2 browns?

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    03-29-2013, 05:05 PM
The lighter mare appears to have pangere. See how white/cream the soft points are, compared to the orangy-tan of a brown?
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    03-29-2013, 05:35 PM
Tiffr...the registry may call a "brownish" and all shades from light to dark (not buckskin) with black points a bay.
This thread is my introduction to this whole bay/not-bay thing and I have had horses most of my life. I've decided to not let it rattle my braincells. I'm going to call my two bays bays.
Ooops! Forgot to include the bay tobiano Paint...three bays

Nice horses, by the way.
    03-29-2013, 07:48 PM
Tiff - 1st horse is bay with pangare and the second is a brown.
    03-30-2013, 09:19 PM
Ha, I was right then! Yessssss, I'm learning! Chil, Nd, and peppy... see how your efforts in explaining all that genetic info to me before hasn't gone without use?! It peaked my interest so now I've been examining different horses to see if I can figure out the color and what, if any, dilution genes and masking genes are involved. You should have seen the barn owner's face when I was explaining to him how he ended up with a palomino foal (he's a 2 year old now) out of the same smoky black tobiano stallion my mare is bred to and a black mare. I don't think I'll bring up the fact that his "blood bay" who is supposed to have a buckskin foal is in fact a brown. I don't want to seem cocky or like a know it all. However, if it happens to come up, I might mention that she is actually a brown and what makes her so.
    03-31-2013, 03:00 AM
So is my gelding a bay or brown? He looks exactly like Tiff's light one. I waws being told he was a light brown. His muzzle does the same thing and the said that the lighter spots under his belly and thighs where NOT pangre....
    03-31-2013, 04:33 AM
So if a horse has like a light brown color like Glynnis horse does on their legs that would be a brown? I have to get pics of gypsy.
    03-31-2013, 11:49 AM
Wheatermay post a full side view pic that shows his light areas. Lets look at him.
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    03-31-2013, 02:45 PM
Originally Posted by horsecrazygirl    
So if a horse has like a light brown color like Glynnis horse does on their legs that would be a brown? I have to get pics of gypsy.
Without having pictures, it's tough to say, but those lighter soft points are usually the most obvious indicator that differentiates a Bay and Brown horse. These lighter points are usually located on the flanks, inner legs (both front & back), underside of the belly and muzzle. My mare also gets light brown eye shadow. It's easier to tell in Winter because you can rule out sun fading as a factor. In Lilly's case, her lighter points become a lot more obvious in Winter vs. Summer. If Gypsy's coat is similar, I would venture to say she is a brown. Also keep in mind that my mare is at the darker end of the Brown spectrum. Many Browns are a little lighter, but consistently have those softer points. A good thread to visit if you want to see the different variations is the Badass Brown thread.

Lilly in Summer

Winter - please excuse that these are absolutely wretched pictures, they just show her brown points really well.
    03-31-2013, 04:50 PM
These are all I have that shows anything. I have better summer pics but I forgot how to resize them, so they are small enough to upload.....
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