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    09-25-2012, 06:13 AM
Bay or Brownskin?

I have always thought my Mom-in-law's gelding was a dark bay. His mother is a bay and his father was a black and white tobiano paint. I have noticed horses on the color forum that look very similar to him being called a brownskin. He is a pretty shimmery gold on his belly and there is a black that fades from his back. He does have black legs. He turns such a dark brown in the winter that he almost looks black, and his nose turns brown. I attached two pics (altho the winter pic is about 2years old), and the summer coat (is actually his spring coat, and it's not a very good picture, his belly turns lighter than that...). What do you think?
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    09-25-2012, 06:58 AM
He is brown No cream there
    09-25-2012, 07:08 AM
Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
He is brown No cream there
So not a bay? Ir no cream, so he is a bay? What exactly is a brownskin? I'm getting confused the more I think about it!
    09-25-2012, 07:22 AM
Brownskin is a brown horse with one cream gene. Buckskin is a bay horse with one cream gene.

Brown and bay are variations of the same gene, so they share similar traits. Brown will tend to be more seasonal - darker in winter, bay mimicking in summer. Brown has paler "soft" points - the muzzle, behind the eyes, inside the legs, in the flank, the elbow, and often under the tail.
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    09-25-2012, 08:42 AM
HI CHIILAA!!! Yup, that's him! Ok, another stupid question for you. What does a brown horse look like? Without the cream gene?
    09-25-2012, 08:43 AM
He's my gelding (Buck's) half brother. Same sire, born same summer, different momma's. I'm wondering again if Buck has a cream gene. I need to send in his hair to that genetics thing....
    09-25-2012, 09:18 AM
The horse in the first post is a brown horse without a cream gene. Brown buckskin looks more like this horse:

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    09-25-2012, 01:53 PM
Ah!!! I got confused! Ok, HE is brown! And if he had a creme gene, he would be a brownskin. OK! I get it! Really cool! Thanks Chiilaa!
    09-25-2012, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
The horse in the first post is a brown horse without a cream gene. Brown buckskin looks more like this horse:

Isn't that a sooty buckskin?
    09-25-2012, 05:01 PM
No. It used to be thought of as a sooty buckskin, but since the discovery that brown is a separate gene a lot of buckskins that were thought to be sooty are actually brown based and "black horses with pangare" are actually browns.
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