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  • What do you get if you bred a roan with a bay
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    01-15-2013, 09:38 PM
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Foal
Bay roan mare...breeding options

So I have a three year old bay roan mare that I would like to breed when she gets a little older and has more training done. I know this will be a little difficult because I don't know any of her genetic doms and recessives, but I have a couple colors from studs I have in mind.

Obviously, Roan(preferably black roan) would be one and the only colors I could get would be black/brown(bay) either roan or not

But what about a cremello or palomino stud(preferably light, no sooty and probably no silver)? I know Palomino roans exist but since she is bay, could there be enough diluted genes to get anything lighter than a bay colored horse, roan or not?
Or Grulla stud?

Also paint(probably black/white). Are their chances of the paint gene being passed?

These just being guesses without knowledge of gene dominance and recessiveness. Any ideas/suggestions?

(These pictures are of the the mare. The one with the child was taken in the throws of this last, very hot summer. The bareback picture was taken in last month in December. Cold winter this year, so she is very fluffy.)
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    01-15-2013, 09:41 PM
  #2
Yearling
Your horse is not a bay roan. She is a grey.
     
    01-15-2013, 09:48 PM
  #3
Started
She's grey. And it sounds like you're wanting to breed solely for color, which is not a good idea. Bad priorities.
     
    01-15-2013, 10:28 PM
  #4
Foal
I have a couple years before I will breed her. I have plenty of time to consider the appropriate stud, while looking into a certain color parameter. Besides that fact that I listed different colors, I am simply asking some of the combinations I could possibly get...It's not an absolute.

I can't simply dream of a color?

Her color hasn't really changed from when she was a youngling. She hasn't grayed out at all. I'm not saying all papers are correct, but she is also registered as a bay roan. Her corns stick out, too.
     
    01-15-2013, 10:34 PM
  #5
Yearling
Papers are completely the discretion of the breeder. They don't mean that's what she really is. Your mare is DEFINITALLY a grey and not a roan. She will grey slowly. It usually takes 4 or 5 years for some horses to even start greying but they are still greys.

I understand wanting a pretty color and that is perfectly fine just don't sacrifice quality in a stud for a pretty color. My brother bred a sorrel to a grulla stallion once because he was a "rare" color and he now has a rank 7 year old brat whos lame because of her confo, however she's a pretty black.

Corns? What do you mean her corns stick out?

Also is she registered and has she been testing for all the diseases her breed could carry? What are your plans for the foal? Do you have the money in case something goes wrong? Do you have the knowledge to train and discipline a foal? What will you do if your mare and foal both die during pregnancy? What has your mare done to warrent having a baby? These are the kinds of things you need to be considering.
     
    01-15-2013, 10:39 PM
  #6
Weanling
You'll come to realize that on the internet, if you mention wanting a certain color, people will jump all over you.

I can't really help you out with the color genetics, but just wanted to say that I personally think there is nothing wrong with choosing some colors to "dream" for, and then searching for (and researching!) nice, correct, ideally proven studs who are the colors you want.
     
    01-15-2013, 10:42 PM
  #7
Green Broke
She is grey, sometimes they lighten quickly sometimes they go slowly.
I would worry more about finding a match for the mare and not worrying so much about color. Now if you find a stud that compliments her and is one of the colors you like then go for it, however don't just breed cause he is a " purty colour". Be smart and start saving up for a every possible scenario: death, emergency surgery, US, emergency vet visits, etc. Nothing about breeding is easy.
     
    01-15-2013, 10:43 PM
  #8
Yearling
Also, seeing as your mare is grey. No matter what color the stud there is at LEAST a 50% chance of the foal going grey and covering the color of the foal. So I wouldnt breed for color. Considering that she is grey and we don't know what color she is genetically (what color she would be if the grey didnt cover it) there is no way to guess what colors she will throw.

The easiest way to consider it is that most animals have a 25% chance of throwing their color unless theyre called homozygous
     
    01-15-2013, 10:55 PM
  #9
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by SnowCowgirl    
you'll come to realize that on the internet, if you mention wanting a certain color, people will jump all over you.

I can't really help you out with the color genetics, but just wanted to say that I personally think there is nothing wrong with choosing some colors to "dream" for, and then searching for (and researching!) nice, correct, ideally proven studs who are the colors you want.
This isn't about being on the internet or off - the objection to breeding on the basis of color will yield the same result, regardless of where the discussion takes place. The issue is not about wanting a particular color, it is about breeding for that color with no consideration to the suitability of the mare, the stud or their suitability of the two as a match to produce the best possible foal (regardless of the coat color).
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    01-15-2013, 11:00 PM
  #10
Foal
*sigh* At this point, I haven't gotten any positive comments, regardless is she is grey or not, knowing the information would still be nice. Color is just one aspect, not the only aspect. Asking about color is one thing you can ask about breeding because you can't really ask conformation questions possibly without a specific horse in mind.

Was just curious about combination. Since I won't get what I am looking for here and this thread is not useful, I will be deleting this thread shortly.

Thanks, folks.
     

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