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post #11 of 41 Old 01-15-2013, 11:02 PM
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*sigh* At this point, I haven't gotten any positive comments, regardless is she is grey or not, knowing the information would still be nice. Color is just one aspect, not the only aspect. Asking about color is one thing you can ask about breeding because you can't really ask conformation questions possibly without a specific horse in mind.

Was just curious about combination. Since I won't get what I am looking for here and this thread is not useful, I will be deleting this thread shortly.

Thanks, folks.
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post #12 of 41 Old 01-15-2013, 11:04 PM Thread Starter
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=_= That's even more unfortunate. Oh well.

Then I guess I simply offer to rescind my question.
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post #13 of 41 Old 01-15-2013, 11:04 PM
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This isn't about being on the internet or off - the objection to breeding on the basis of color will yield the same result, regardless of where the discussion takes place. The issue is not about wanting a particular color, it is about breeding for that color with no consideration to the suitability of the mare, the stud or their suitability of the two as a match to produce the best possible foal (regardless of the coat color).
The OP never stated that she would be considering only color.

In "real life" people are not nearly so brave as to openly criticize someone's choices or thoughts as they are on the internet, nor will you likely speak to so many people in real life as you do during a discussion on the internet.

OP - unfortunately you can't delete threads on this site... here is a link that you may find helpful:

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post #14 of 41 Old 01-15-2013, 11:07 PM Thread Starter
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The OP never stated that she would be considering only color.

In "real life" people are not nearly so brave as to openly criticize someone's choices or thoughts as they are on the internet, nor will you likely speak to so many people in real life as you do during a discussion on the internet.

OP - unfortunately you can't delete threads on this site... here is a link that you may find helpful:

Color Calculator

Thanks SnowCowgirl. I will take a look into the calculator. :)
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post #15 of 41 Old 01-15-2013, 11:10 PM
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check out Animal genetics There is a color calculator on there as well, so you can see the different outcomes with the different colors. you can also learn about Homozygous and Heterozygous and the different genetic diseases horses may carry.
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post #16 of 41 Old 01-15-2013, 11:11 PM
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The OP never stated that she would be considering only color.

In "real life" people are not nearly so brave as to openly criticize someone's choices or thoughts as they are on the internet, nor will you likely speak to so many people in real life as you do during a discussion on the internet.

OP - unfortunately you can't delete threads on this site... here is a link that you may find helpful:

Color Calculator
Perhaps we are reading two different posts, because the ONLY thing I see mentioned in the OP with regards to stud selection IS color - no discussion of her mare's conformation, what conformational strengths she would look for in a stud, what conformational weaknesses she feels her mare might overcome, what sort of horse she would be attempting to achieve - just a discussion of what colors she might produce (based on a misunderstanding of her own horse's color) by breeding the mare to particular colors of studs. So, based on that post, one could say that color was, in fact, the consideration for this hypothetical breeding.
FTR, my opinion - and expression of such - would be the same were the OP speaking with me in "real life".
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post #17 of 41 Old 01-15-2013, 11:17 PM
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I, personally, see nothing wrong with dreaming. As long as a healthy dose of reality is present before action takes place. So dream on!

Now, for colors, visit Color Calculator It tends to be very accurate in its calculations especially if you know the zygosity of both parents. For example, for the sake of argument if your mare is heterozyous (carries one copy instead of two and therefore, statistically 1/2 of the offspring will inherit that gene) for Black, Agouti, Roan and Grey and the stallion you chose was Homozygous (Carries two copies of the gene and therefore all offspring will inherit one copy of the gene)

The options would be
37.5% Grey born Bay Roan
37.5% Bay Roan
12.5 %Grey born Blue Roan
12.5% Blue Roan

with these genotypic makeups being the possible outcomes.
EE/Aa/Rr/Gg = 14.0625%
EE/Aa/RR = 14.0625%
EE/Aa/Rr = 14.0625%
EE/Aa/RR/Gg = 14.0625%
EE/aa/Rr = 4.6875%
Ee/Aa/Rr = 4.6875%
Ee/Aa/RR = 4.6875%
Ee/Aa/RR/Gg = 4.6875%
EE/aa/RR = 4.6875%
EE/aa/Rr/Gg = 4.6875%
EE/aa/RR/Gg = 4.6875%
Ee/Aa/Rr/Gg = 4.6875%
Ee/aa/Rr = 1.5625%
Ee/aa/RR/Gg = 1.5625%
Ee/aa/Rr/Gg = 1.5625%
Ee/aa/RR = 1.5625%

The color calculators are fun to mess around with. Having a clear understanding of basic genetics helps alot. Read through most of the threads on here, especially ones where NDAppy and Chiila have explained the genetics and inheritance. I know there are a few other very knowledgeable color genetics people but they are the ones I remember most.
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post #18 of 41 Old 01-15-2013, 11:19 PM Thread Starter
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Perhaps we are reading two different posts, because the ONLY thing I see mentioned in the OP with regards to stud selection IS color - no discussion of her mare's conformation, what conformational strengths she would look for in a stud, what conformational weaknesses she feels her mare might overcome, what sort of horse she would be attempting to achieve - just a discussion of what colors she might produce (based on a misunderstanding of her own horse's color) by breeding the mare to particular colors of studs. So, based on that post, one could say that color was, in fact, the consideration for this hypothetical breeding.
Pardon, I would like to defend myself a little. I apologize because it seems so wrong of me to have been inappropriate in my own horse's color. I came and posted this thread, yes, only about stud's color because that is all I cared to get information on from this post. I didn't /want/ to ask people's opinions here on conformation or anything else. I do have some knowledge about genetics and if I don't know, I do have people trained in genetics and conformation and I would ask them.
I was simply experimenting and simply wanting people's opinions on color combination that could be a possible outcome and to share in the excitement of the idea of a foal. Please do not assume what you think I want and don't want in a coupling.

I did not ask for opinions on stud/mare conformation because I did not want those opinions.
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Nobody is attacking you. Were just saying that color doesnt need to be everything when your looking for a foal.

In the horse world if people arent blunt, the people or horses get hurt. Sometimes both. If someone doesnt speak up about bad tack, or a horse whos confo causes pain, then either the horse or the human ends up getting hurt terribly and nobody wants to see that.

Nobody will be able to give you a positive feedback on what colors your mare will throw. We cant tell her base color so we cant tell you what color genetics SHE can throw besides knowing there is at least a 50% chance of a grey.
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post #20 of 41 Old 01-15-2013, 11:36 PM Thread Starter
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I just don't appreciate being told that the only thing I'm considering is color for my coupling, when it really isn't. I just thought it would be fun to discuss color because, oh the exciting possibilities. I guess few think in such a simple way (try to complicate things), when it's a simple, hypothetical question on color.

Her base color is bay...
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