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        01-15-2013, 11:36 PM
      #21
    Yearling
    I totally understand wanting to up your chances of getting a foal with the color you have in mind. I've started a similar thread, but I was asking hypothetically since I've already bred my mare once before and don't particularly plan on breeding her again. It is fun to mess around with genetic possibilities. Unfortunately, I have to agree with the idea of her being grey. Mostly because of her tail and the fact that she's still very young. But I do see the corning you're referring to. So my question for all the genetic guru's on here....is it possible that this mare is a bay roan, as well as a grey? From what I understand, that could be the situation here. But, my knowledge of genetics is minimal at best.
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        01-15-2013, 11:39 PM
      #22
    Foal
    Thanks Doubleopi. Regardless if she's roan or not, I'd still like to breed her. It will still be a while yet, as I've said. I want to get more training on her before I do.
    Just the excitement of what color could you possibly get is fun to think about because when you think of a new born foal, the first thing you see about a foal is how cute it is and what color it is. It's fascinating to go through the process of trying to discern what colors could possibly come.
    Obviously, the more important things come first and the color is an afterthought, but since I am not in the stage of actually picking a stud yet...to idolize a color just for fun is something to pass the time until she is old enough to breed(by training standards).

    I really appreciate your info!
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        01-15-2013, 11:42 PM
      #23
    Yearling
    Yes a horse CAN be a bay roan that went grey. They are very hard to tell the difference between as foals.

    Also are you absolutely sure she was born bay? I've seen a palimino that had his mane and legs go dark in the greying process.

    Greys are very difficult for a genetics person to work with unless you have the horses' genetic code.

    But you have to realize that a LOT of people do breed for colors only. Im breeding my mare this year myself and I chose a stallion that is everything I didnt want in a horse colorwise however his show record, ability, conformation, and attitude are all stellar.
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        01-15-2013, 11:51 PM
      #24
    Foal
    Yeah...I'm pretty sure. I have her registration papers in hand and she is most definitely bay. Her black legs aren't super high...they actually go pretty low, at least her back ones. She is brown bodied and black maned. She has the roaning type over her body. Not as much as she appears roaned(greyed) now, but from what I know, roaning(if she is actually roan) is a lot of the time, hidden until they usually hit their first shedding when the color becomes stable. I mean...Her face was all solid...it wasn't ever first the grey out.

    And I do realize that and I apologize if my post seemed like that. I guess I hoped my "this won't be for a few more years" would dissuade the thought of color interest only. I don't plan to breed her a lot, so of course I want the one or two foals out of her to be the best I can get.

    I think my favorite part about her color is that, even though the white on her has always gone a little past her hocks, she has /always/ had a pitch black spot on the cap of each hock.
         
        01-16-2013, 12:01 AM
      #25
    Yearling
    She could very well be a roan then. If she was roaned after her adult coat came in without her face being roaned then she is a roan as well as grey.

    A black spot in a white leg marking is called an ermine spot. I have no idea whether it will stay as she greys or not! I've never considered that!! Something to research!

    In the horse world you have to realize that we all have our own opinions and ways of doing things. However we all have a common interest and that is the safety and wellbeing of the animals we love. Nobody is saying anything to offend you. Only trying to make you see that your actions and thoughts arent something you can reverse in horses. If you mess up and breed the wrong horses or breed for the wrong reasons its the horse who will be paying the price... and in a way it IS the fault of the people who didnt tell you better. I still feel bad about not stopping my brother from breeding his mare when he bred her and got his black. She's had so many physical problems and she's mentally unstable around people. She isnt safe for anyone. If I hadve stopped him she wouldntve been in the pain she's in now from her legs.
         
        01-16-2013, 12:04 AM
      #26
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by TexasBlaze    
    She could very well be a roan then. If she was roaned after her adult coat came in without her face being roaned then she is a roan as well as grey.

    A black spot in a white leg marking is called an ermine spot. I have no idea whether it will stay as she greys or not! I've never considered that!! Something to research!

    In the horse world you have to realize that we all have our own opinions and ways of doing things. However we all have a common interest and that is the safety and wellbeing of the animals we love. Nobody is saying anything to offend you. Only trying to make you see that your actions and thoughts arent something you can reverse in horses. If you mess up and breed the wrong horses or breed for the wrong reasons its the horse who will be paying the price... and in a way it IS the fault of the people who didnt tell you better. I still feel bad about not stopping my brother from breeding his mare when he bred her and got his black. She's had so many physical problems and she's mentally unstable around people. She isnt safe for anyone. If I hadve stopped him she wouldntve been in the pain she's in now from her legs.
    I think in this case it's on the knee, and thus not an ermine. It is probably caused by the grey minimising the black on her points, and, like the rest of her, will eventually be completely white.

    OP - 50% chance of a grey foal without knowing anything else about her genetics.
         
        01-16-2013, 12:18 AM
      #27
    Foal
    Hmm, that is very interesting. I didn't know about the ermine spot. Thanks! I think it's cool how they are matching on each hock. I will definitely take note of that as she gets older. I guess I'll just have to wait and see. Also, for the lulz, I've attached a picture of her from the middle of spring, she was just finishing shedding(you can see her spots) and a picture of her as a yearling. I forgot I had these yearling pictures of her. She looks so different than what I remember!

    I actually can understand that and it's really unfortunate. I don't pretend to be an expert, not by a long shot, as I am still in college for these sort of things, but I do know what a well conformed horse looks like, in a general manner. Not calling on any specific needs for disciplines(or gaited...I'm terrible with gaited horses, haha). The place I board now, the owner has this buckskin stud that he breeds and...the stud isn't the best put together. Long in the back and sickle hocked in the back with a somewhat awkward hip angle. Huge head too with a really long underline. He breeds to a few mares who are not the best looking either, specifically the palomino who has similar problems as the stud. She moves and rides really smooth, but she looks like she is struggling to get her legs under her and always looks strung out. It's like...she's sickle hocked, but her stance is behind the plum line...Sweet mare, a doll, but I wouldn't breed her, nor would I breed to his stud.

    I was actually looking to breed my other mare(that I am unfortunately selling now), which is a black breeding stock mare. She has an awesome conformation and moves so beautifully, but she is rather anxious and high spirited. Very(very) get up and go and is very dominant to almost a fault and for that, I decided not to breed her. Sorry for rambling. It's really unfortunate that the poor foal had to turn out so bad. I have plenty of time and will to pick through all the studs I can to find the right one. I have my whole questionnaire and requirements written in a book and stored away.

    (First is Ellie as a yearling and second is from spring '12. The paint is my gelding.) The funny thing is she isn't actually /that/ grey looking in real life. She has much more brown in her coat. It's not all grey.
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        01-16-2013, 12:26 AM
      #28
    Foal
    Here is a butt picture of her as a yearling.
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        01-16-2013, 12:29 AM
      #29
    Yearling
    I definitally see a roan foal in that.

    Im the same way with my mare. She's actually a thoroughbred who has a FEW faults but nothing I would critisize her for as a HUS horse. She's got stunning movements, is practically a dead head, great personality, and I found a stud who complimented her for a HUS foal. He ended up having a paint pattern (i dislike paint patterns due to maintanence) but he was my best choice in studs.

    You can really see how she has grayed seeing the difference between those two pics! My Quarter horse is a red roan and her sire was a grey. I wish she hadve gotten the grey gene as well as I adore greys!

    If I might ask what are you planning on doing with the mare and with the foal when she has it?
         
        01-16-2013, 12:36 AM
      #30
    Green Broke
    What are her bloodlines ? Parents colors ?
         

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