black but not black? what colour is Cody?

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    09-15-2013, 12:51 PM
black but not black? what colour is Cody?

This is my gelding Cody. He used to fade alot in the summer but doesn't anymore, but in the winter he's usually very black. I always just assumed he was black. But my friend who is a colour genetic nerd thought he might be a "smokey Black" but she showed his picture to someone and they said he was a "seal bay" now all this colour genetic stuff makes my head spin. So i'm going to ask you guys!

What colour is Cody?!


^^ excuse the funny face

This is How light Cody USED to fade to in the summer. Sadly he hasn't reached that colour again since. I think he looked awesome. Not sure if it would help tell what colour he is since he doesn't get this light now but yeah.

Thanks for any info on what colour you think he is! Sorry for the picture spam!
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    09-15-2013, 01:34 PM
Fading black IMPO. Without knowing sire/dam colors you can't say if smokey black (black + cream) is even possible, PLUS the only way to know for sure is the horse is by/out of a double dilute or testing, but that being said, IMO he's just a black that sun fades.
    09-15-2013, 01:48 PM
Agreed ^
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    09-15-2013, 02:14 PM
Okay thanks guys! More opinions are welcomes But I do agree. But I had people tell me other things I just didn't know.

Cody isn't registered sadly, so all I know is that he was born in Oklahoma, so that does make it a bit harder to tell.

Okay thanks! Again if anyone else see's this thread feel free to comment :) if you agree or disagree or whatever!
    09-20-2013, 10:05 PM
Looks like fading black also to me. My mare is a smoky black, I believe it is caused by the creme gene acting on an underlying black coat color. It's a wee bit confusing since a black horse fading in the sunlight doesn't mean it's 'smoky', so like NdAppy said, its impossible to tell for sure without knowing sire/dam/genetics. He looks more like a "true" black in some pictures than what I would think of as smoky-at least my mare is more "Raisin" colored in the winter (her name happens to be Raisin too :p) Either way, he's adorable!
    09-20-2013, 10:19 PM
Different breeds use different terminology for color but I think you meant seal brown which is what I would call it if that was breed appropriate.
    09-21-2013, 09:43 PM
If NdAppy says he's black, he's black so just go with that.
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    09-22-2013, 12:53 AM
If you want proof of color then you coauld have him tested. ;)
    09-22-2013, 01:20 AM
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Like others have said - it is hard to tell if they are fading black or Smokey black based on just looking at them. I suspected Smokey black on my guy due to his lighter eye color and ended up correct when tested.

In this case I suspect Smokey black due to the light, almost cream color in his ears in every photo. I doubt it would be that consistent if it was just due to fading and it can be an indicator of a Smokey black.
    09-22-2013, 02:09 AM
Originally Posted by churumbeque    
Different breeds use different terminology for color but I think you meant seal brown which is what I would call it if that was breed appropriate.
In this case, not even close. Smoky black is not even remotely close to "seal brown," genetically or visually.
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