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  • Black + cremello grulla
  • Cremello Gruella Black horses

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    08-10-2011, 01:15 PM

Now I'd say there's a ton of variables like the individual horse's genetics but what are some likely outcomes of crossing a black horse with a cremello one? I'm not breeding, just curious
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    08-10-2011, 01:30 PM
Smokey black, buckskin, brownskin, or palomino.
    08-10-2011, 01:33 PM
Palomino 50.00% -
Smoky Black 12.50% -
Silver Smoky Black 12.50% -
Silver Buckskin 12.50% -
Buckskin 12.50% -

    08-10-2011, 01:43 PM
Smrobs, no possibility of silver unless the horse is carrying silver.

It would be more like a 25% chance of each smokey black, buckskin, brownskin, and palomino with the percentages changing depending on the genetics.
    08-10-2011, 01:47 PM
Yeah, I just put it in the color calculator and selected heterozygous for everything since we don't know the deeper genetics or even breed LOL.

I'll take your word on percentages though, I am a very long way from an expert on genetics .
    08-10-2011, 01:50 PM
Lol Genetics can be tricky. I don't like to guess beyond the basics without knowing more about the horses in question normally.
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    08-10-2011, 08:14 PM
When guessing the basics for a colour calculator, it is easy to just put hetero for everything. However, Silver is a dominant, and you should be able to see it on the horse, and therefore should assume it is not there if the horse doesn't display it. This of course can be wrong - it is not impossible for Silver to hide, much like cream can on black, but it is not nearly as common.
    08-10-2011, 10:07 PM
Green Broke
What about grulla? I had always thought you could get grulla from that type of cross?
    08-10-2011, 10:13 PM
Grulla involves the dun gene on a black horse.
    08-10-2011, 10:30 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by Strange    
Grulla involves the dun gene on a black horse.
So how do you get a grulla? Dun X black?

Is there any type of dilute that when crossed with black will give you a grulla?

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