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    08-23-2012, 08:10 AM
  #21
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It is very, very common for at least the horse's mane to remain dark, or even go darker as they grey. This mare is definitely grey. She doesn't have any indication of roan at all IMO.
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    08-23-2012, 12:18 PM
  #22
Green Broke
It does throw me off a bit that there's no gray evident in the filly's tail. She almost looks grulla. I don't think I could say for certain what color she is without knowing what color her parents are, or baby pictures, or genetic testing...
     
    08-23-2012, 12:26 PM
  #23
Green Broke
I still think she could have roan and gray. That may be why her body is so light so young. But the outcome is the same .. she's gray.
     
    08-23-2012, 12:40 PM
  #24
Green Broke
Shes blatantly grey. The only question is whether she was roan under the grey. She doesn't even have a trace of the actual blue tinge you'd see on roan - I have routinely seen this shade of grey mistaken for roan due to the dark mane, tail and legs. However her face is a dead giveaway that she is greying. Grulla doesnt appear to be an option, there is no dorsal stripe or leg barring. Even if she was greying over grulla, you would still see the dun evidence at this stage.
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    08-23-2012, 02:24 PM
  #25
Yearling
My grey's mane is getting darker and darker with age as Chiilaa said. Her body is MUCH lighter than her mane/tail. In fact, her mane and tail are just about the only things that no longer show any of the sorrel she once was.Greys. So weird.
     
    08-23-2012, 05:00 PM
  #26
Foal
Remember, the main difference between blue roan and grey is what color the horse was when she was young (between 1 and 6 years). If she had all white hairs and black skin then she is grey. If she had white hairs on her darker base coat and unroaned legs she is considered roan. Correct me if I am wrong but this is what I was taught:)
     
    08-23-2012, 06:09 PM
  #27
Green Broke
No, gray is a progressive lightening of the base coat color that eventually ends up in an all-white or fleabitten horse. The horse is born with his base color and may or may not show signs of graying as a foal (though most do after shedding their foal coats).

Roan is white hair interspersed throughout the base color (for blue roan, the base color is black). The foal is born roan. The roan pattern may change season-to-season and year-to-year, but doesn't progressively lighten to white.
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    08-24-2012, 05:12 PM
  #28
Weanling
One Spotted Walker breeder I know always said you know it is a grey when the new born foals are black as velvet. You know it is a black, when it is dark grey or brown. Weird, but true. All of that breeders grey babies started black as black could be, but they never stayed black.

I will put one vote down for grey.

My wild card would have been black champagne, but taking a second look at her, probably not. She's already to steel grey to really have any cream or champagne in her. She would have stayed a mousey brown/grey if she did.
     
    08-24-2012, 07:49 PM
  #29
Green Broke
What happens if they aren't born black or brown?
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    08-24-2012, 08:40 PM
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Weanling
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What happens if they aren't born black or brown?
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Haha I honestly have no idea, I'm not a breeder. Although I have seen his grey babies and his black babies, so I understand the difference. I do not know about dun's or chestnuts that go grey, although they never look like a "standard" grey does to me either. Like.. there is grey (which started as black or near black), and then there is color that has gone grey, and you can always tell what the color is underneath until they fully white out. But a black horse that has gone grey is always incredibly striking with the dark steely color and the outstanding dapples. Those are the greys I am used to seeing. That funky greyish looks like it might be a roan but really isn't a roan (like the OP posted)? I don't see them very often to be honest.
     

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