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    01-24-2012, 10:58 AM
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Breeding Appaloosa to Paint Discussions

Appaloosa, and Paint are both color breeds and should never be mixed, that is a no no in breeding.........
     
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    01-24-2012, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by hillside farm    
Appaloosa, and Paint are both color breeds and should never be mixed, that is a no no in breeding.........
I'm curious as to why not? They sure do seem to be becoming popular.
     
    01-24-2012, 03:57 PM
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Rascaholic, The answer to your question is quite simple both breeds have their own characteristics .
The Appaloosa has coat patterns, mottled skin, white sclera, and stripped hooves, and CANNOT have Any of the following: Paint, Pinto, Pony or Draft Breeding........

To mix any of the above would be like backyard breeding....(In other words people that are not educated in the breed or not breeding within the standard of the breed,)
That is why Every Horse Registry has Rules........... To Follow their Guidelines...
     
    01-24-2012, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by hillside farm    
Appaloosa, and Paint are both color breeds and should never be mixed, that is a no no in breeding.........

I did not breed my horse, I bought him....and who cares? People are way too uptight...and there is a pintaloosa registry anyways for this reason. To say it is backyard breeding makes you sound a little uneducated yourself.
     
    01-24-2012, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by hillside farm    
Rascaholic, The answer to your question is quite simple both breeds have their own characteristics .
The Appaloosa has coat patterns, mottled skin, white sclera, and stripped hooves, and CANNOT have Any of the following: Paint, Pinto, Pony or Draft Breeding........

To mix any of the above would be like backyard breeding....(In other words people that are not educated in the breed or not breeding within the standard of the breed,)
That is why Every Horse Registry has Rules........... To Follow their Guidelines...
There are perfectly legitmate reasons to breed some pintaloosas. Not all pintos are Paints, for one thing. There are many regular-registry pintaloosa miniatures. Same with some sport horse or general use types--grade, but registerable, and still quality horses.
     
    01-24-2012, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by hillside farm    
Rascaholic, The answer to your question is quite simple both breeds have their own characteristics .
The Appaloosa has coat patterns, mottled skin, white sclera, and stripped hooves, and CANNOT have Any of the following: Paint, Pinto, Pony or Draft Breeding........

To mix any of the above would be like backyard breeding....(In other words people that are not educated in the breed or not breeding within the standard of the breed,)
That is why Every Horse Registry has Rules........... To Follow their Guidelines...
Bubba is correct. While ApHC will not register certain crosses, among which are Paints, that does not mean that to breed a Pintaloosa is automatically irresponsible, any more than breeding a warmblood or Appendix is irresponsible. Other than registration issues, color should not be a determining factor when breeding. Responsible breeders breed horses - not color. Just because ApHC will register an Appy/Arab cross but not an Appy/Paint cross does not in itself make either cross responsible or irresponsible.

Also, be reminded, that many Appy lines - some of them considered top lines - have Paints in their ancestry and generations later still display such Paint characteristics as high whites and wide blazes...
     
    01-25-2012, 12:17 PM
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Faceman,
1. Color Is A VERY Determining Factor when breeding a Color Breed of horse.
( A breeder does not breed for solid color offspring, They breed for color. )

2. Responsible Breeders DO Breed horses within the standard and rules of the breed.
( So if I take my AKC Reg. Boxer and breed it to my AKC Reg German Import Shepherd, do think AKC will reg. That litter of pups because they came from two reg. Parents? NO !!!! They are two different breeds........ )

3. Many Appy lines have Paints in their Ancestry, and display Paint Characterestics later.
( Name one Appaloosa Bloodline that does )

Mmeyers83,

45+ years of Breeding Quality Horses in both AQHA & ApHC Registry's makes me Very Educated . ( I do not talk out of both sides of my mouth, I Stated Facts.... )

Bubba13,
Legitmate reasons to breed Pintaloosa's.....
( Name One... )

As A Breeder I Believe:
If a Breeder Can Not follow the Breeds Guidelines & Rules and Breed to Improve the Breed, (They have No Buisness Breeding..........)
( That is the Difference between a Professional and a Backyard Breeder.)
     
    01-25-2012, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by hillside farm    
Faceman,
1. Color Is A VERY Determining Factor when breeding a Color Breed of horse.
( A breeder does not breed for solid color offspring, They breed for color. )

2. Responsible Breeders DO Breed horses within the standard and rules of the breed.
( So if I take my AKC Reg. Boxer and breed it to my AKC Reg German Import Shepherd, do think AKC will reg. That litter of pups because they came from two reg. Parents? NO !!!! They are two different breeds........ )

3. Many Appy lines have Paints in their Ancestry, and display Paint Characterestics later.
( Name one Appaloosa Bloodline that does )

Mmeyers83,

45+ years of Breeding Quality Horses in both AQHA & ApHC Registry's makes me Very Educated . ( I do not talk out of both sides of my mouth, I Stated Facts.... )

Bubba13,
Legitmate reasons to breed Pintaloosa's.....
( Name One... )

As A Breeder I Believe:
If a Breeder Can Not follow the Breeds Guidelines & Rules and Breed to Improve the Breed, (They have No Buisness Breeding..........)
( That is the Difference between a Professional and a Backyard Breeder.)
As to number 1 - Sorry, you are wrong. Color is NEVER, or at least should never be a primary consideration when breeding. Heck, I raised Appys, a color breed, for over 20 years - you don't have to tell me about color breeds. A responsible breeder breeds for conformation and ability - if you get color, that is a bonus...if you don't get color, you still have a good horse. I will tell you unequivocably that any breeder that breeds horses on the primary basis of color is irresponsible.

As to number 2 - I have no idea what you are trying to say.

As to number 3 - MightyBright/Bright Eyes Brother, one of the most desired Appy lines is noted for high whites and wide blazes due to influence from Plaudette, who got her splash, as did many lines, from the very prepotent Old Fred. And there are other similar lines. It is ApHC that forbids Paint outcrossing - the ApHC was founded in 1938 - do you think there was no Paint influence before that time? ApHC has nothing to do with the formation of the breed or what outcrossing was done before it was formed.

If you are not aware of the history of Bright Eyes Brother and Mighty Bright, both of whom are in the ApHC Appy Hall of Fame, then I do not accept your claim that you have been breeding Appys for 45 years. Quite frankly, that would be impossible, and would be the equivalent of a Thoroughbred breeder never having heard of Man O War, or a Quarterhorse breeder never having heard of Three Bars.

And as to your statement about outcrossing, give me one justification other than color for permitting outcrossing to Quarterhorses, and not Paints. Neither were in the original Appy mix, and neither improve the breed...in reality, the incessant crossing with Quarterhorses has diluted the breed...
     
    01-25-2012, 01:36 PM
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Faceman:
1. Color is Never/ and then if you get Color that is a Bonus = Which is it?
As for Conformation & Ability : I answered that Breed within the Standard of the Breed.
2. So where is the Paint?: Plaudette? Sire :TB Dam Appaloosa
As for QH improving the Appaloosa: where do you think the manes & tails came from, sure wasn't from the Rat Tail App which also did not have a mane, and the QH also improved the conformation and the App Head............

So with that said: We All Have Our Opinons, Now Don't We....................
Have A Good Day.........
     
    01-25-2012, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by hillside farm    
Faceman:
1. Color is Never/ and then if you get Color that is a Bonus = Which is it?
As for Conformation & Ability : I answered that Breed within the Standard of the Breed.
2. So where is the Paint?: Plaudette? Sire :TB Dam Appaloosa
As for QH improving the Appaloosa: where do you think the manes & tails came from, sure wasn't from the Rat Tail App which also did not have a mane, and the QH also improved the conformation and the App Head............

So with that said: We All Have Our Opinons, Now Don't We....................
Have A Good Day.........

It is sad you are getting so worked up over this...I posted this a merely some insight about my horse and you throw in a reply right off the bat which was insulting and you had no business doing so. Why don't you get back to your breeding business and stay off here if you have nothing polite to say.
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