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Breeding black quarter horse mare to friesian stud?

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    04-17-2013, 12:58 PM
Not a fan of Friesian crosses, period. I think there are some breeds that should be kept pure, Fjords as well, and they tend to not cross well with other breeds. I have seen more BAD crosses than good. And as someone already said, it is not good conduct for a friesian stallion (or mare) owner to be crossing with other breeds as they WILL loose registration on those horses AND any good status as a member.
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    04-17-2013, 02:18 PM
For a dressage prospect, I'd be more inclined towards a QH/TB cross. As a bonus, the resulting horse can also be registered Appendix QH.

Of course, I also LOVE my horse, who is a QH/Andalusian cross. He ended up looking pretty much full QH with a long mane & tail. I ride him dressage (and started him jumping over the winter, too). He's never going to be an FEI dressage horse but I'd never compete at that level even if my horse were capable! As with any cross, you never know if the resulting foal is going to be more like one breed or the other, or if they'll be some horribly put together combination of both!
    04-17-2013, 04:06 PM
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Agreed. People have a lot of success with Draft x TB crosses. Except my best friend. She bought Eve as a yearling and she's 6 now and the most awkward animal I've ever seen. "Sporty" is the last word you'd use to describe her. She only ever hit 15.2hh and looks like a midget Clydesdale, complete with big head and shaggy feathers. Thankfully, her new owner is a coach and values her as a lesson horse because that's all she's ever going to be - she lacks all talent and grace for jumping even low fences. She's fanastic on the lunge though and would make an excellent vaulting horse!

Even purebred to purebred breedings can go horribly wrong if you don't have enough of a genetic stamp established. Crosses are always such an enormous crapshoot. My best friend's mare had a 17.2hh dam and a 16.1hh sire and stopped dead at 15.2hh so clearly she was pulling her height genes from some ancestoral anomaly further back! I know a woman who was full sibling Trakehners - the gelding is an almost 17hh successful 2nd Level Dressage horse and his sister is about 14.2hh and built like a bloodhound and greenbroke - but she will never be a successful show horse with her conformation. I tend to not prefer Trakehners for that reason - they aren't as established as breeds such as Dutch WB'a and those anomaly's still pop up, even though considered "purebred"!

I would buy one of your friends horses if you like the cross and she's managed to fluke out in producing good crosses! Chances are more likely than not NOT in your favor of doing the same!
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    04-17-2013, 04:24 PM
Couldn't agree more with everyone here -- it's NOT a good idea. Friesians are not built to jump, or do most activities you see others do. Now, you will see them out there, but not at olympic jumping levels or high dressage tests. They can and will but are NOT built for it. To cross a horse like that with a QH it's asking for trouble. The crosses I've seen like that have been some of the ugliest horses I've seen and I find it hard to call any horse ugly...

GOOD friesian breeders won't do it, it's not good for the registry especially if they're an approved FHANA stallion. They can loose that instantly like others have said, reputable breeders won't do it. So then on that note what level stallion are you going to breed her to? If he's not registered with FHANA and not part of the registry who's to say what will come out it.

I wouldn't, just no. I would buy one of hers or find a breeder of the cross that has the ugly weeded out. Even if they do have most of the "ugly" gone you can't always guarantee a good looking foal. I have seen great babies come out of the cross but there have been VERY few.

Are you doing it for looks? Because you like the cross? Not being snark at all here!
    04-17-2013, 05:04 PM
Green Broke
To reduce risk of franken-horses, breed a pure bred or well proven cross. For aqha that would be;

Qh x thoroughbred
Qh x arab

If you want to take a bit of a gamble(I don't), some draft x qh can be very nice, especially percheron, and I've seen some andalusian crosses that were nice.

Better yet, buy one that is on the ground, where you can see what the conformation and attitude are like.

I HATE Friesian crosses. One of the most likely to produce franken-foals. And unfortunately Friesians are the latest fad, so every one is crossing anything with a uterus to a freisian stallion. Urg.
    04-20-2013, 01:20 AM
Green Broke
They're not always quite so bad... I just found this guy. He's a Fresian/warmblood cross
Black Warmblood Stallion at stud - Ontario Livestock For Sale - Kijiji Ontario
    04-20-2013, 10:02 PM
Green Broke
Sorry Nokota, I don't find him "nice" at all. He's not terribly infortunate, but he does not have exemplery conformation and in my opinion has NO business being a stud. His list of "accomplishments" is basically just "we showed in some local events and maybe got a few ribbons". In short, he's done literally nothing. And his $500 stud fee only confirms that. He honestly looks like he took the worst from both breeds and is just awkward. Friesens excell as carthorses and Warmblooods excell at sport events and this guy looks like he excelle at being a pasture ornament. I highly doubt he's a better representative than either of his parents which is what you're ultimtely looking for.

This actually makes me glad a friend of ours decided against breeding her Trakehner mare to a Friesien stallion.
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    04-24-2013, 06:01 PM
Check this guy out!Indian Artbeat
He is a AQHA & Premium approved and registered in American Warmblood Registry (AWR)
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    04-24-2013, 07:05 PM
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Muuuuuuuch better match!!!
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    04-24-2013, 11:53 PM
Ooh, I like that stallion!

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