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  • Genetics breeding black brindle to buckskin brindle
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    04-28-2012, 12:03 AM
  #111
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Originally Posted by balsaroan    
a grulla is a black horse with one cream gene, a perlino is with two, Your horse appears to be a grulla with the dun factors, the dun gene gives the horse a some or all of the "dun factors" which are ear stripes, zebra stripes, leg barring, the black lines across their withers and the dorsal stripe, the guard hairs on the tail and white hairs on mane, it is not considered a dun unless it has a dorsal nor if the dorsal fades in the summer, a dun must always have a dorsal no matter if red or black or bay. A buckskin is a bay with the cream gene, but there can also be a dun-skin and that is a buckskin that have 'dun's' in their parent history and they express the dun gene through the "dun factors"....clear as mud right???
Wrong.

A grulla does NOT carry cream. It's Black + Dun.

Perlino is Bay + 2 Cream Genes.

Smokey Black is Black + 1 Cream Gene.
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    04-28-2012, 12:04 AM
  #112
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Quote:
Originally Posted by balsaroan    
a grulla is a black horse with one cream gene, a perlino is with two, Your horse appears to be a grulla with the dun factors, the dun gene gives the horse a some or all of the "dun factors" which are ear stripes, zebra stripes, leg barring, the black lines across their withers and the dorsal stripe, the guard hairs on the tail and white hairs on mane, it is not considered a dun unless it has a dorsal nor if the dorsal fades in the summer, a dun must always have a dorsal no matter if red or black or bay. A buckskin is a bay with the cream gene, but there can also be a dun-skin and that is a buckskin that have 'dun's' in their parent history and they express the dun gene through the "dun factors"....clear as mud right???
Grulla is not black with a cream gene. Black with a cream gene is smoky black, sometimes called black buckskin. Grulla is a black horse with one or two dun genes. Also, a black horse with double cream gene is a smoky cream - perlino is a bay horse with double cream.
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    04-28-2012, 12:20 AM
  #113
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Yes, I knew that.. perlino buckskin bay, cremello, palomino , sorrel, its been awhile but you don't have to be so rude about it! Gosh, it would seem like I shot a puppy the way you all are biting at my throat!!!! Chill out!
     
    04-28-2012, 12:31 AM
  #114
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No one is biting your head off. Sorry if it felt that way, it can be a bit intimidating when two people post to correct someone else. Unfortunately, both CLaPorte and I posted at the same time. If either of us had posted clearly first, the other would not have posted. I apologise for making you feel ganged up on, it was not either of our's intentions.

Aside from the double post, no one was rude to you. Correcting someone's mistakes, regardless of those mistakes being just misworded or actually wrong, is not rude.
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    04-28-2012, 12:34 AM
  #115
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AND you are wrong as well, a grulla can express the cream gene! Ill give you the link but here is a little excerpt so you don't have to search. :

A grulla has a solid black, non-bay, non-brown (aa) base with one or two dun genes added. The body color tends to be what is commonly called dove-grey, but can vary from nearly black to brownish to silver. It may take on a golden or olive cast if there is a cream gene also present (smoky grulla). The mane, tail and markings described above will be black or a darker shade of the body color.

4 Dun Colors
     
    04-28-2012, 12:38 AM
  #116
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A grulla with a cream gene is a different color. They are not wrong. Black and smoky black are different because smoky black has the cream gene. Same with grulla. Black + dun = grulla. Black + dun + cream = smoky grulla. They may not look very different because one copy of cream will hide on black.

And I do not get what that site is trying to get at with "4 true dun colors". Dun is a dilution gene and can affect any coat color. If you want a "true" dun, the only two would be red dun and grulla because bay and brown are both black + an agouti gene.
     
    04-28-2012, 12:38 AM
  #117
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No, I agree, correcting is not wrong that's how everyone learns, but what is wrong is when a "tone" is gotten. I'm sure you will say there was no tone so whatever, lets just drop it. And Poseidon they said black with cream is smokey, and were excluding the possibility of a grulla expressing the cream gene.
     
    04-28-2012, 12:43 AM
  #118
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Grulla, as Poseidon said, can have a cream gene. None of us were disputing that. I was correcting the implcation (which I think was accidental, and not at all intentional) in your original post that grulla was caused by the cream gene. I can tell from your further posts that you don't think that.

However, as you say, "tone" can take many forms on the internet, and what I get as the "feeling" of a post, can be completely different to what you feel as a result of the same post. It's part of being human
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    04-28-2012, 12:53 AM
  #119
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There was no tone on my part. I apoligize if you took it that way. I said "wrong." (with a period) If I were to have said "Wrong!" (with an exclamation point) Then I can see where a tone could be implied.

I was simply stating a fact based on what you said in your original post. It is wrong to say that Grulla is black + cream. Nothing was ever said about a "Smokey Grulla" in that post but yes they do exist. Black + Cream + Dun.

If anything was originally said about a smokey grulla, I never would have contradicted you. It's just saying that grulla is black + cream is incorrect and we don't want to confuse anyone into thinking otherwise.
     
    04-28-2012, 01:18 AM
  #120
Foal
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Cool cool, :) and BTW nice to meet you all...
     

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