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    05-02-2012, 06:07 PM
Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
If you are still convinced, then yes, you are wrong about the colour of the horses. That doesn't matter in the long run, and is no reflection on you as a horse owner. The majority of horse owners are ignorant of the genetics of horse coat colours. That doesn't make them bad owners, it just shows that they don't really have an interest in genetics.

Kiger is still mustang, and still a domestic horse for all intents and purposes as far as colouration is concerned. The genetics are the same. The potential colours are the same. The display of the colours is the same. The horse you pictured has not got a copy of the dun gene, therefore, he cannot possibly be dun.

The two mares you have pictured are grey. Sure, the younger one could have been a red dun when she was born. Not disputing that at all. But she isn't one any more - she is a grey. Underneath she still has the dun gene, but the grey gene means she will eventually be completely white.
I would like to have a chart or something that says this color x with this color most likely = this color...

Question, what is a line-back dun? Simply any dun that has a line on it's back? How about a steel dust? What do they look like?
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    05-02-2012, 06:16 PM
Green Broke
Yea a line back dun is a dun with a line on its back. And as for steel dust I'm not sure.. the only steel dust horse I know of was a racing Quarter Horse named steel dust
    05-02-2012, 06:18 PM
Originally Posted by Gremmy    
Well that is embarrassing, all these years I've had it in my head that agouti caused black points on a red based horse as opposed to minimizing black to those points!

Now off to go read up on this until the world makes sense again...
I wish black was the dominate gene... Not enough black horses!
    05-02-2012, 06:20 PM
Green Broke
Lol I say there's not enough Cremellos
    05-02-2012, 06:21 PM
Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
Grulla is not black with a cream gene. Black with a cream gene is smoky black, sometimes called black buckskin. Grulla is a black horse with one or two dun genes. Also, a black horse with double cream gene is a smoky cream - perlino is a bay horse with double cream.
Can you post a picture of a smoky black? It sounds pretty.

Sorry for so many posts on top of each other...I haven't figured out how to "group" them all into one post..
    05-02-2012, 08:51 PM
Well, how confused would you be if I told you that black IS the dominant gene? Also, as far as smoky black, they can look like an ordinary black horse. It's really annoying. A single copy of cream doesn't do jack to black really, that's why buckskins still have black points. Stupid cream

These horses are all smoky black.

    05-02-2012, 11:02 PM
Oh! I thought they would be a smoky/blue/black horse... :)

The grey horse that someone posted (I think on pg 4?) (The non-silver grulla ) is that what you would consider a "Steel Dust? I always thought that's what it was... It's a pretty color whatever it is...

The color stuff is really interesting...I probably should start a new thread instead of stealing this one...
    05-03-2012, 01:53 PM
Originally Posted by EmilyJoy    
Question, what is a line-back dun? Simply any dun that has a line on it's back? How about a steel dust? What do they look like?
All duns are "line-back duns". I'm not sure where that name came from because a horse must have a dorsal stripe, in addition to other markings, to be a dun.

Steel dust is not a color. I'm not sure where you got the term (if someone else said it earlier in the thread or someone told you it was a color). It may have been used to refer to a shade of gray in the graying process, which isn't uncommon (ie, rose gray). But all gray horses are just that: gray. Rose gray or "steel dust" is nothing fancy. It's still a gray horse. ETA: A google search of "steel dust horse" brings up pictures of a horse named Steel Dust and a few grullas. No, those are grulla horses. Nothing special about them.

And the non-silver grulla mentioned previously is not referred to as silver because there is a color gene named Silver that acts different, although that grulla may actually be colored what we consider to be the color silver.
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    05-03-2012, 03:31 PM
Green Broke
About the steel dust being a colour... Reading that last comment it occurred to me that there is the teim 'steel grey', so maybe steel dust is another term for that. But all I know is steel dust was a racing quarter horse. The story with him racing a horse named Shiloh is pretty famous in the quarter horse world, though besides the fact they were the two top racehorses at that time, I'm not sure why.
    05-03-2012, 03:31 PM
Both are "western" handles that I've wondered about...

Yeah I assumed it was a term for a gray...

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