Brown or Bay?

Hi all! I would like to know if someone could tell me if "my" baby Tyler was a brown or bay, I'm baffled by colors I'm going to try and get some of him in his winter coat, but he keeps being silly and sticking his head in the way or following me. The jumping photos are from about two years ago (when he was still in proper shape), and the rider is not me. The face one is my attempt to get a full body shot

I'm going to say brown. Very cute. I love browns. =]
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Definitely looks brown to me

The darker areas over his bum/croup area, neck, and the front of his face make me lean towards brown. Winter pictures would confirm.

Cool! His owner wouldn't be too pleased (she's a witch and hasn't seen him in two years D:) but still cool! Tyler is registered as a dark bay, btw. He also turns like blue/gray when clipped, which I'm pretty sure doesn't mean anything but is certainly awesome to look at!

He's a bay....he has the black points....

I've seen sooty buckskins that look similar! Do you have more photo's?

Muppetgirl, that's what I thought too, but I'm getting very confused my horse is definitely a brown, but I think the OPs horse is a Bay aswell because I don't see any brown points, I see black points..

Just to show an example of my brown horse, with brown points. This is coming into summer


And this is part-way through winter, when the brown points are more obvious

My vote is firmly on brown.

Brown horses also have black points. The gene that causes brown is a mutation of the agouti gene, the same one that bay is a version of. So they do things similarly, hence why both have black points.

These horses are all brown. Note the black on their points.