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    02-10-2013, 12:30 AM
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Cat
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brown or smoky black or?

I'm curious as the what color you guys think my mustang is. He is listed as black, but he is a bit "off" of a true black. I have been leaning towards smoky black because his eyes are a lighter shade than most horses and the cream gene can cause that and it wold have explained the off coloring. But after these pics I took today I am wondering maybe brown? What do you guys think?


Please excuse the dirt - I didn't get a chance to groom him when these were taken.





And from the summer....



     
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    02-10-2013, 01:16 AM
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Started
Idk that I'd call him black. But I'd be happy to call him mine!
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    02-10-2013, 01:20 AM
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Green Broke
Me too, my black girl looks red sometimes and I start to question her color also.
     
    02-10-2013, 01:21 AM
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Trained
Looks like he's a black that is prone to sun fading, to me.
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    02-10-2013, 01:28 AM
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Green Broke
^^^That is what I used to think but my mare has been wearing a blanket all winter.
     
    02-10-2013, 01:40 AM
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My boy is grey, but in the summer you'd never know from 30' So I pose the question, what is a black horse? Visually? No blood tests etc.... I've been under the impression that a black horse is black. Any devience is ... Grey, paint, roan etc. I'm sorry if I shouldn't of asked on this thread, but the OP had color questions so maybe we can dump the black answer here?
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    02-10-2013, 02:03 AM
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Green Broke
Mine last week while wearing a blanket all winter.....



This in October after the summer without a blanket............. go figure....

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    02-10-2013, 02:05 AM
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Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Phly    
My boy is grey, but in the summer you'd never know from 30' So I pose the question, what is a black horse? Visually? No blood tests etc.... I've been under the impression that a black horse is black. Any devience is ... Grey, paint, roan etc. I'm sorry if I shouldn't of asked on this thread, but the OP had color questions so maybe we can dump the black answer here?
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A black horse is a horse that is genetically E_ aa. There are fading and non-fading blacks; both will be visually a "true" black whenever a new coat grows in. Fading blacks can bleach out dramatically in the sun, but are still considered black. The other colors you mentioned (gray, pinto, roan, etc.) are due to other genetics that may or may not be present in addition to having a black base color.

Smoky black is a black base color with a cream gene. While smoky blacks tend to fade more than "true" black horses, they are most often indistinguishable from each other and can only be determined with genetic testing or by producing offspring expressing the cream gene (from a non-cream horse).

OP's horse looks like a fading black to me.
     
    02-10-2013, 02:06 AM
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Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Phly    
My boy is grey, but in the summer you'd never know from 30' So I pose the question, what is a black horse? Visually? No blood tests etc.... I've been under the impression that a black horse is black. Any devience is ... Grey, paint, roan etc. I'm sorry if I shouldn't of asked on this thread, but the OP had color questions so maybe we can dump the black answer here?
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Oh and my gelding is a grey.... vet has him charted, "white", lol. I like to call it as I see it but that is just not how it goes in the horse world. But if my horse was stolen I would be saying white. Most would not think of grey".
     
    02-10-2013, 02:19 AM
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Green Broke
Awesome color but I would say brown , I see to much red
     

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