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    08-01-2013, 11:28 PM
LOL, I don't think it's that they don't appreciate the gene, it's more than most of us with sorrels are used to some amount (either a little or a lot) of ticking just as a part of the color and we don't really associate it with any particular gene.

Just like my Belgian mare that I posted a pic of. She's got a massive amount of ticking on her head and a fair amount on her body...much more than she had when we got her 4 years ago, but it's just a part of who she is and it doesn't change the fact that she's still a regular old sorrel .
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    08-01-2013, 11:31 PM
Lol :) Honestly I've never really got that deep into genes to know that those even existed.. And I have never seen a sorrel with it (maybe I havent just paid much attention)

Its interesting to see. Is it a gene that can come across in any breed or do only certain breeds carry it?

Sorry for all the questions.. I just find this interesting!
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    08-01-2013, 11:39 PM
I have no idea definitively which gene causes it, but I suspect that it may be caused by sabino the majority of the time. I have a 4 year old gelding out of that mare and he's also developing ticking on his sides and body and starting to grow a fair amount of white hair in his mane that he didn't have before. I know he carries sabino as he's got jagged white socks on the hind and he's got a white lower lip (as someone else said, trademarks of the sabino gene), but I don't know if he got it from Mom (above) or Dad, who was a QH that I haven't seen in years.
    08-01-2013, 11:40 PM
Okay- not to take away from the OP's original question- but about the sabino gene thing... I have had some people tell me at my barn Whiskey has minimal sabino markings on him. I just assumed he was sorrel with a pointed white sock and a blaze..

Can he have a sabino gene without being registered as a paint? He is AQHA Appendix registered. Haven't done a lot of sleuthing into the QH side of his breeding beyond on his papers, but if paint was in his history wouldnt his family tree had stayed paint? AQHA/APHA confuses me so sorry If I am not making a lot of sense haha
    08-01-2013, 11:41 PM
Well, it's obvious that neither parent has roan or rabicano. I'm not entirely sure if rabicano works the same way as roan in that it doesn't hide so someone will need to clarify. But at this point my guess is that it's just white ticking.
    08-01-2013, 11:42 PM
See, the funny thing about pinto markings is that nearly every horse carries at least one, regardless of whether they are registered/bred as paints or not. Every white marking on legs or face, regardless how small, is caused by pinto genes. So, even a registered QH is still carrying some pinto gene if he's got a star or a sock.
    08-01-2013, 11:44 PM
Originally Posted by smrobs    
See, the funny thing about pinto markings is that nearly every horse carries at least one, regardless of whether they are registered/bred as paints or not. Every white marking on legs or face, regardless how small, is caused by pinto genes. So, even a registered QH is still carrying some pinto gene if he's got a star or a sock.
Gotcha! That definitely makes sense then. Thank you smrobs
    08-01-2013, 11:47 PM
I know my boy is not the only one out of those two that have presented this "ticking".. So one of them must carry the gene.. Hmm..

Horses are some amazing creatures arent they!:)
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    08-01-2013, 11:48 PM
So... Other then the pointed socks and white lip... What other things are signs of sabino/rabicano?
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    08-01-2013, 11:54 PM
Hmm, well, for sabino, the jagged markings centered on the barrel (and sometimes the neck and hip).

Rabicano will often present with a skunk tail as well

I tell you, though, pinto patterns haven't been my main study in color genetics since I only really own one paint and her pattern is easy. I tend to get lost when the patterns start to combine and there is a horse that carries rabicano, sabino, tobiano, and whateverelse-o LOL. I can usually pick out the obvious patterns, but when they start getting subtle, that's when I have trouble.

Chiilaa would be the person to really ask. She's one of the most knowledgeable folks here on color genetics of all kinds and she really works hard to stay up to date.
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