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post #1 of 56 Old 06-03-2012, 09:17 PM Thread Starter
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Can tobianos have frame?

So I might have been completely wrong and then I will deserve to be embarassed But I was talking to a Paint breeder today as my sister is wanting to breed her mare (my mare) and I was looking into their stallion. She is definitely splash,frame, and sabino.

Their stallion is Tobiano...so I asked if he had been tested for frame. They said tobianos cannot have frame so there was no need to test.

I'll say up front that I don't know very,very little about Pinto markings,but I thought tobianos could in fact have frame....which I nicely told them. They looked at me like I was an idiot and said again that tobianos can't be frame.

So...Now I'm either going to be quite embarrassed or extremely glad I didn't go with their stallion...

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post #2 of 56 Old 06-03-2012, 09:24 PM
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Down at the bottom there is a picture of an overo mare with her tobiano foal. It says the only way to know if the foal is a carrier is to test it. So I assume a tobiano can be a carrier...
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I read further down and it gives some pretty good information on OLWS. Overos are not the only ones that can be carriers
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France overo IS the lethal white gene. However it can be easily hidden. It is always better to test than risk it. If you test your mare and she's negative then she's safe to breed to anything. If she's positive then you should require seeing LWO test results on any stud before breeding.
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She is positive.

He is Tobiano. So can he still be carrying frame?

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Tobianos can and do carry frame. If the SO won't test him, find a different stud.
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Okay...Thanks. That's what I thought...better to be safe than sorry :/ I will not breed her to a stud that hasn't been tested...unless there is absolutely no way they have frame.
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There is no way to know there is no chance of frame if it is a stock type breed or TB unless they are tested.
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This guy has frame:




If the stud owner won't test for frame, I wouldn't ever breed to anything they own. Irresponsible morons.
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I'd rather not post pics of someone else's stallion,but he has 4 very high white socks (like the ones in that pic ^^) and shoulder patches. I didn't see any face white in the photos that I saw through. His forelock may have been covering a little star.

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