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        06-03-2012, 10:16 PM
    Actually if he has patches like the ones that the other horse has, he actually sounds like he has frame to me. One of the first things frame does on a tobiano horse is try to stop leg white. A tobiano with that much white you would expect the leg white to join to the body white. Frame stops that.
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        06-03-2012, 11:05 PM
    Tobiano's can test positive for frame. I know a girl that bred her tobiano mare to a Tobiano stud ,thought she was going to get a B/W Tobi possibly Homozygous well baby came out classic B/W frame overo in markings,boy was she surprised!! She named the foal Who Framed Me
        06-04-2012, 04:03 AM
    Sorry to hijack the thread but is that every tobiano where the legs are "blocked" off? My baby girl has tobiano and sabino but now im wondering if she has frame too... she isnt a paint either. Her sire has almost same pattern and her dam is solid coloured

        06-04-2012, 04:23 AM
    It's not every tobiano, but it is a good indicator. Your girl, well I certainly wouldn't breed her without testing her. I get a feeling that she has frame, but it's the jagged edges making me feel that, and it could be sabino too. Also where she has a lingering bit of colour on her back, that is almost surrounded by white. Frame likes colour on the spine.
        06-04-2012, 04:25 AM
    Ok thank you! Ill keep that in mind if I ever breed her :)
        06-04-2012, 04:28 AM
    What breeds are her sire and dam?
        06-04-2012, 04:34 AM
    I asked someone who has more experience with this type of thing..

    Tobiano is a separate gene and doesnt have the potential genetic problems that overo/OLW does...
    BUT tobianos (and sollids) CAN carry the 'frame'/overo/OLW gene as well and may not show it
        06-04-2012, 04:52 AM
    Dam is cleveland bay X tb and sire is tb X clyde X stock horse

    And thanks JA that is interesting to know
        06-04-2012, 12:20 PM
    Better to be safe than sorry. I would test any horse that could have the posibility of Frame. Whether it's plain as day or hidden.
        06-04-2012, 12:41 PM
    Have you considered just breeding to a solid instead? I'm so finicky about breeding to paints...I know that it's a frame x frame thing, but I'm SO paranoid these days.

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