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post #21 of 56 Old 06-04-2012, 12:44 PM
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Have you considered just breeding to a solid instead? I'm so finicky about breeding to paints...I know that it's a frame x frame thing, but I'm SO paranoid these days.
To my understanding though, solids can carry frame too.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.
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To my understanding though, solids can carry frame too.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.
This all over. This horse is positive for frame:



If the breed carries frame, you should test before breeding, unless both parents have been tested and you have seen the test papers. Even then, I would still test.

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This is a stud I got after he was jumping his owners fences and covered some of my mares...owner turned him over to me and I gelded him..but I had him tested and he DOES carry frame!

AND this is my appaloosa mare who he covered and we were still able to give her the shot to stop it because she is a frame carrier as well.
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This is a stud I got after he was jumping his owners fences and covered some of my mares...owner turned him over to me and I gelded him..but I had him tested and he DOES carry frame!

AND this is my appaloosa mare who he covered and we were still able to give her the shot to stop it because she is a frame carrier as well.
What a close call. I must say, I do like that mare.
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Thanks....we had it aborted before we even knew for sure about him..just because of his markings we were afraid of him being a carrier. Yes she is a nice mare. I got lucky when I got her, but I am actually in the process of trading her for another app mare with a foal in utero and I will get her first foal off of her and my friends stallion.
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I asked someone who has more experience with this type of thing..

tobiano is a separate gene and doesnt have the potential genetic problems that overo/OLW does...
BUT tobianos (and sollids) CAN carry the 'frame'/overo/OLW gene as well and may not show it
Keep in mind that the term "overo" itself is 3 different genes. Splash and sabino are harmless to breed together, so not all horses labeled overo are going to cause lethal white foals. This is only frame, which, unfortunately, is notorious for minimal expression, meaning that every horse that could possibly carry the gene should be tested when considering breeding.
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post #27 of 56 Old 06-09-2012, 10:33 PM
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What are all the characteristics that can show up in a color/coat pattern that indicate frame? And what breeds are known to carry the frame gene? I'm trying to learn everything I can about it..

Does this horse show signs of being frame?
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The only way to be for sure is test....what markings do they label her as? She has a dark tail which is often not seen in a Tobiano..she has vertical patterns and mostly dark head often seen with Tobiano..so she shows signs of multiple spot patterns.
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What made me wonder if she is,is the way the white "runs" into the color and the little spots of color in the white;I had been told those are signs of frame..? She is a bay tobiano,so that's why the dark tail.
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well mine in the above picture also was placed in reg. as bay tobiano..but they also indicated Sabino..which is some signs that mare shows...The white above the hocks...the halo around the spotting also could be called roaning signs of sabino...but mine also tested + for frame so he has more in him..his stallion was calssified as Tovero as some call it and Tobiano/Overo....so who knows....they can be soooo tricky
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