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  • What color would a champgne palomino mare and sorrel stud throw
  • How to tell if a colt is going to be a palomino or champagne

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    11-24-2012, 12:48 PM
  #21
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Originally Posted by SunnyMeadeFarm    
Well if both parents are palomino, then he's most likely a palomino,
Since he's a frame (going by his mother who is most definitely frame) the white layered on top of his base coat modifies his eyes if it goes over one, and sometimes will effect both eyes, even if it doesn't touch one eye.
I love him btw! I would steal him in a heart beat, and his mother more so!
Well they have the colt for sale . Sadly I can't buy him right now :( But based off the videos I think I will pass just because I don't like how he just strikes out at the person with the camera out of play. I don't need any of that. Anyhow, I would buy him otherwise. :)
     
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    11-24-2012, 01:01 PM
  #22
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Originally Posted by AnnaLover    
I guess he really is palomino then ... very interesting. He doesn't look right to me.
Is he yours or one you're looking to buy? Any way you could get pictures of his sheath area to see the skin color and perhaps another picture of his dam (although she looks nothing but palomino from the above photo)?
He's not mine, it was a possible buy in the spring or so. I was looking at stud prospects, but this colt had me stunned.

This is the only sheath picture I could really find. It's the same color as his coat.


And a few more of his dam....




And a few videos

batman 4 23 12 - YouTube

This is the one where he strikes out.


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    12-07-2012, 11:42 PM
  #23
Foal
It's possible he could be a gold champagne or a champange x cream carrier but considering he has a white face (which affects the skin color of the muzzle and around the eyes) it's very hard to tell visually. If he/she does not have white around their underside/flank area check the skin color. It is gray then it's palomino and if it's pink it's champagne (or pink with minimal gray mottling). The very best way to tell, however, is genetic testing.

If you know both parents (assuming you know the mom) check them out. One of them, at least, has to be a carrier of the Champagne gene for the baby to be champagne. The mother of the foal in the OP has a gray skin patch on her mouth where the white 'breaks' so it's a safe bet that she is NOT a carrier of the champagne gene.


As for the baby with the black mother- wait until he/she grows out their next coat to see if that baby fuz is hiding a tiny white marking around the muzzle. It looks to me (blurring on the edges) that there might be just enough white their to affect it. If not refer to the sire for sure. Champagne should be visible in the sire if he passed it on (and the **** did not) so check him out and worse comes to worse genetic testing can confirm the color for you!


All in all because you said the sheath is pink skinned and that un-splashed side has pink around the eye I would definitely say visibly he is a champagne.
     
    12-08-2012, 07:57 AM
  #24
Yearling
I"d say he'd need to be tested. Looks pali to me. A friend raises palis and when I called with the same question about my foal with pink skin and at the time green eyes she said no way on the champagne because her stallion is pali not champagne and the mare is brown. I called around as his skin was pink and eyes greenish at the time and was advised to test him because palis supposedly are born with grayish skin. After about a week though his skin started to darken and went from pale gray to very dark over about 6 weeks. His eyes aren't the dark brown of his dams but now in comparison or a lighter brown like his sires. How old is he in the pic his sheath somewhat shows? Could it be with white on his belly his sheath color is effected by that? Both are beautiful. As for the sheen that makes him look metallic I have two that have it. Both are AQHA. The two stallions are close relatives It is much more than healthy horse glow. It comes from their sires side is my assumption as they have the same (father and son) but the mares don't. I had thought it was a pali thing but it actually shows more on my bay.
     
    12-08-2012, 02:27 PM
  #25
Foal
@QtrBel :: the high shine is "chrome" by how you described it. Its supposedly caused by the champagne gene but i've seen a lot of negative tested horses that express chrome. My mare is a sorrel and she shines like crazy in any lighting and her sire was def. Not champagne (met him) unfortunately her mom died before I could meet her. I would imagine the shone is stronger on the bay because of how agouti affects black hair. IMO agouti acts like the roan gene only with color. Since there's black and red on a bay you're seeing a contrast in light reflecting off of the red stronger then the black (color theories here) it could be, also, that the bay is just a brighter color. My mares about 3 shades lighter then her daddy but she's "dim" compared to his deep rich red. They both shine but he's got a strongrr shine and they're both healthy. Take photos of them in different lights and angles and see what's what :)
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    12-10-2012, 09:50 PM
  #26
Yearling
Even if mom is a gold champagne, a cross with the palomino stallion could result in a palomino or gold champagne anyway so it's right back to is he this or that. Testing would be the definitive way. I can at least say without a doubt that he isn't both cream and champagne XD
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    12-12-2012, 02:05 AM
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Is it just me or does the mare look to have pink around at least 1 eye in this video?
batman 4 23 12 - YouTube
     
    12-12-2012, 02:17 AM
  #28
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Is the mare by chance Barlink bred??? If so baby could be Could be displaying barlink factor,a dilution gene that presents similar to champagne
     
    12-12-2012, 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by paintedpastures    
Is the mare by chance Barlink bred??? If so baby could be Could be displaying barlink factor,a dilution gene that presents similar to champagne
Barlink Factor is the name commonly used in stock breeds, but most people would know it as Pearl. In terms of if he could have Pearl, sure, if he goes back to the appropriate horse.
     
    12-12-2012, 06:44 PM
  #30
Yearling
Just to be clear, both dam and colt are gold champagne IMO.
     

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