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        01-05-2013, 12:55 PM
      #21
    Trained
    This guy is 100% Arabian. :)
    He is registered AHA, but also registered Pali because it's just a colour registry.
         
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        01-05-2013, 12:59 PM
      #22
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MsBHavin    
    They will be soon if people keep fudging papers.
    AHA requires all registered horses be DNA typed. There is no way to get papers for a non-purebred since then. A few tried previously, but papers were revoked.
         
        01-05-2013, 01:01 PM
      #23
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by MsBHavin    
    Pretty boy! WS buy him and pic spam us ;)
    Ha! I'm sure this guy is priced in the high five digits range... A little over my budget right now. LOL
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        01-05-2013, 01:06 PM
      #24
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by WSArabians    
    This guy is 100% Arabian. :)
    He is registered AHA, but also registered Pali because it's just a colour registry.
    This is true - he doesn't technically have to be a dilute to be a "Pali" since it's just appearance, though the dilute is what produced the color most of the time. What Arabian gene would cause this color? I don't know a lot about silver, but would that do it, at least to the mane and tail? I guess you could get that color of chestnut since it comes in so many shades, but that doesn't explain the mane and tail...

    One horse I know had a something-or-other plume, which caused an all-black horse to have an all-white tail, and it was a straight Egyptian Arab. So these random genes are rare, but still there... But not dilute!
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        01-05-2013, 01:10 PM
      #25
    Trained
    Jillybean, silver does not express on red-based coats. What I'm seeing is a flaxen chestnut that is one of the rare few that are so pale they look pali.

    And the plume you are talking about is called a Gulastra plume and is theorized to be caused by sabino.
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        01-05-2013, 01:19 PM
      #26
    Yearling
    Thanks for an answer that makes sense!
         
        01-05-2013, 01:20 PM
      #27
    Yearling
    Do you think he'd be able to pass on that color? It seems like one of those things where his just happens to be that shade, but he's genetically no different than any other chestnut.
         
        01-05-2013, 01:21 PM
      #28
    Trained
    Ditto what BEP said. Reds can carry silver, but will not express it. Arabians do not have the silver gene.

    All this guy is is an unusual shade of flaxen chestnut/sorrel not unlike the haflingers... who also are very adept at mimic palominos.
         
        01-05-2013, 01:28 PM
      #29
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by jillybean19    
    Do you think he'd be able to pass on that color? It seems like one of those things where his just happens to be that shade, but he's genetically no different than any other chestnut.
    I imagine with the right chestnut, he could.
    This is Fire An Ice, another registered Arabian who is also registered as a Pali.
    He does tend to throw his colour, although he is not near as light as the Trussardi colt.
    My daughter by this guy is just a flaxen chestnut, of course. LOL

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        01-05-2013, 01:28 PM
      #30
    Trained
    Genetically we don't know what makes one chestnut lighter or darker than another, so we can't differentiate for certain. Feed can make a huge difference, too, so essentially, how can we know it's genetic and not environmental?

    However that being said it is thought that both flaxen and sooty are genetic, pangare most certainly is [why else would it be seen more in some breeds than others?], and I have known several mares that throw chestnut foals of identical shade to themselves. In theory, it COULD be passed on, we just don't know the genetics.
         

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