Originally Posted by DraftyAiresMum View Post
I see champagne twice on the dam's side, WAY back, and then it disappears as you work your way forward. That's if they were true champagnes since the two horses listed as champagne were alive before genetic testing was available. Not sure how champagne dominance works, but I would think more horses closer up in her pedigree would have to be champagne in order for there to be a chance of her being champagne. (for the record, on allbreedpedigree, "ch" stands for chestnut)
Also, I would be interested to see pics of her sire. It says that her sire's dam was a dun and the dam's sire was a dun, but neither of his parents were duns, so that's not possible. Dun, like roan, is a simple dominant. At least one parent has to have the dun gene for the progeny to be dun and if the dun gene is present, it always expresses. A palomino and a chestnut/sorrel do not a dun make.
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It doesn't disappear as you work your way forward. It gets misidentified, and with champagne that is VERY easy to do.
And yes the champagnes were alive before genetic testing, but they have been proven to be one of the founding lines of champagne. Bar Bob Sandy was registered as palomino, but based on her lineage she can only be Gold Champagne.
Jamars IT, is listed as dun, which he cannot be as it's not carried in either of his lines. So he is most likely some black based champagne that got registered as dun, because they didnt know enough about genetics at that point, let alone champagne to know what he was.
Jamars Sweetheart is listed as red dun, but since Jamars IT isn't dun, she can't be either. But it was probably all AQHA would allow her to be registered as with her breeding, because she obviously wasn't chestnut.
And then we have the OP horse, who is obviously diluted, obviously not dun IMO, and looks very much like a gold champagne, which her lineage supports.