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post #11 of 17 Old 02-26-2014, 09:41 AM
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This horse looks champagne to me... You can see the mottled and pale skin on her muzzle clear as day! From a conformation standpoint I think she is quite attractive... Needs her feet trimmed. But nice shoulder, some substance, decent hind leg. All depends what you want her for, but I would take a look.

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post #12 of 17 Old 02-26-2014, 09:45 AM
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FWIW, this mare's dam has several other foals, including a palomino by a pally stallion. Which would rule out any sort of cream, right? Or no?
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No... A pally foal from pally stallion doesn't mean anything except that she carries a gene for red, which we already knew. The cream most likely came from the stallion. I don't, personally, see cream in this mare at all...
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No... A pally foal from pally stallion doesn't mean anything except that she carries a gene for red, which we already knew. The cream most likely came from the stallion. I don't, personally, see cream in this mare at all...
I know, I meant that means she CAN'T have cream, because then wouldn't that foal have been cremello?

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I know, I meant that means she CAN'T have cream, because then wouldn't that foal have been cremello?
No... if both parents have one copy the foals possibilities are 25% no cream (chestnut), 50% one cream copy (palomino) and 25% two cream copies (cremello). Each parent has a 50/50 chance of passing that cream gene. Her having a pally foal from a pally sire does not eliminate nor support her having cream... As it is possible for him not to pass his cream gene and for the mare to contribute the cream gene instead (if she carried it).
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No... if both parents have one copy the foals possibilities are 25% no cream (chestnut), 50% one cream copy (palomino) and 25% two cream copies (cremello). Each parent has a 50/50 chance of passing that cream gene. Her having a pally foal from a pally sire does not eliminate nor support her having cream... As it is possible for him not to pass his cream gene and for the mare to contribute the cream gene instead (if she carried it).
Thanks for clearing that up, I get why I was confused. Was thinking of how cremellos, not pallys

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Well 10000% she is red based. No buckskin, no bay dun.

I suspect maybe champagne too (not bothering with pedigree lol) I sort of see mottled skin and stuff but would like better pics.

So she is chestnut with maybe a dun (unlikely imo) or champagne gene. I love her tail.

Confo- she is cute, she needs a diet and good farrier yesterday!!..Aside from the fact that she looks like a very cute cow and I suspect a lot of my complaints are due to the weight, she is definitely standing under herself (farrier?) don't like her front legs, but it may be due to the way she's standing, her back legs appear sickle hocked and maybe slightly cowhocked, maybe also a little too close (would need to see a pic from the back)

I think with a good diet and a good farrier she would be stunning!! I really like her, and she's not perfect but no horse is, and I don't love her legs but there isn't anything major.. it really depends on what you are looking for and as I said I think she'd be a different horse with a little tlc.

I would post a picture in the critique section too, you'll get better responses.
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Just to throw it out there, is there any possibility that she has pearl? She has Leo waaaay back, and I read somewhere that he may have carried it?

If you couldn't tell, I'm sick and have been pretty bored the past few days LOL. Colors + pedigrees are a blast! Btw, confo critiques are still very much appreciated.
Pearl is complicated. It's an incomplete dominant, first of all. One copy will do nothing to a coat, however, and will only show up if the horse carries two copies of pearl OR pearl and at least one copy of cream. It's rare in stock breeds, so it would be very surprising if her parents were both N/Prl and she ended up Prl/Prl. It's also traced back to Barlink Macho Man primarily, so it would be even more unlikely if he was not in either pedigree.
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