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post #11 of 20 Old 09-03-2013, 07:00 PM Thread Starter
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Your horse looks exactly like my sorrel QH! Very coppery
The horses name is actually Copper! How imaginative eh? He's going to be mine at the end of the month

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post #12 of 20 Old 09-03-2013, 07:13 PM
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Oooh, so happy for you! He is a handsome boy! What I find with Star (all 3 of my mares, of course!) is that daily brushing, even if there's only time for a 'quickie', brings out those natural oils and the sheen in the sunlight is beautiful! Is Copper registered? Would be neat to find if he's related to Star....She's an Impressive grand-daughter - Sire was, 'Impressive Dandy', Dam was, 'By Far A Star'.... Congratulations, and I'll bet you can't wait! :)
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Oooh, so happy for you! He is a handsome boy! What I find with Star (all 3 of my mares, of course!) is that daily brushing, even if there's only time for a 'quickie', brings out those natural oils and the sheen in the sunlight is beautiful! Is Copper registered? Would be neat to find if he's related to Star....She's an Impressive grand-daughter - Sire was, 'Impressive Dandy', Dam was, 'By Far A Star'.... Congratulations, and I'll bet you can't wait! :)
I have no idea whether or not he's registered. I bought him from the ranch that i was working at, and they got Copper and a few other horses from some lady who just could afford to keep them. She basically dropped them off, said they were broke, and left!

I plan on spoiling him a little (not food wise, he obviously doesnt need that!) but daily brushing and lots of love!

Thanks, i can't wait to bring him home!
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post #14 of 20 Old 09-03-2013, 07:39 PM
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Nope, the base for pretty much all the coat colors is red, so of course chestnut/sorrel is the most common.
This isn't true. Red is the base for the red based colours - chestnut (or sorrel, depending on your location), palomino, cremello, red dun, dunalino, etc.

Black is the base colour for so many more colours. Black, bay, brown, buckskin, smoky black, brownskin, perlino, smoky cream, smoky brown (or a double dilute brown horse, whatever you feel comfortable calling it), grullo, bay dun, brown dun, perlino dun, smoky cream dun, smoky brown dun, and so on.

Definitely far more colours that are black based than there are colours that are red based.

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As others have said, chestnut and sorrel are genetically the same color: red.

However, some folks will use both terms to differentiate between shades of the horse. For example. around here, the lighter, more orangey horses are called sorrel but the deeper, darker horses are called chestnut.

I've actually got a perfect picture example too LOL. This is Bessie and Rafe, they are mother and son. Bessie is the lighter and I always call her sorrel. Rafe, I always call him chestnut.




Then, of course, there is the super dark chestnuts that appear to be nearly black. Those are called liver chestnuts. Anything lighter than this and darker than Rafe, I would simply call a dark chestnut LOL. Help you get more confused yet?

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They're the same thing. The Western world tends to call them sorrels, whereas those in the English world call them chestnuts. Same color. Red.
It can be breed specific. Peruvians are Chestnut.
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post #17 of 20 Old 09-03-2013, 08:21 PM
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The horse in your last photo is extremely similar to my new chestnut Morgan, Sugar :)
* You'd have to go to my 'barn' to see a photo - haven't had time to update my avatar yet...

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I've always thought the same as smrobs. Here's another example. Both registered with AQHA, the one on left is registered as sorrel and the one on the right as chestnut.

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Only horse folks can argue the semantics of "color" and "shade". All I know is that in elementary school my little box of Crayolas had 16 colors, NOT 16 shades
BTW, my box of horse colors has both a sorrel and a chestnut.
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When I was younger, someone told me that sorrels have the lighter manes (usually with some white hairs interspersed) and chestnuts had same color or darker. I whole heartedly believed this until I got into genetics.

In genetic terms ee is chestnut (if there are no other color factors modifying it), regardless of breed. Sorrel is used by many registries as well as horse owners as a coat color, but it is not a genetic color term. Most horse color information will use them interchangeably.

I would also beg to differ on Chestnut being the most common color. A horse is only Chestnut if it has no other colors modifying it (a palomino is not a chestnut, although it is homozygous for red "ee"). As red is recessive, genetically speaking, you would have more horses black based than red based, and once you take out any creme or grey modifiers, I wouldn't think Chestnut would stand as most common horse color (though it is more common in certain breeds than others). When I lived in Ireland, chestnuts were very rare and valuable, and the Andalusian breed would have wiped out chestnut if it hadn't survived hiding under grey modifiers. Not to mention Friesians, Shires, and Clydesdales (all of which do have the red gene, but very uncommon).

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