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Clipping completely changes horse's color! Black to dun/buckskin??

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    05-02-2012, 09:42 AM
  #11
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    05-02-2012, 01:59 PM
  #12
Weanling
I agree with the others that he is brown. We have a mustang boarded at our place who has the typical brown muzzle and flank markings. He is started to gain some golden coloring that looks exactly like the picture of the flank you posted. Though his are showing up in his girth area as dapples.
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    05-02-2012, 02:12 PM
  #13
Foal
My teacher from years ago, a world-renowned horsewoman who worked especially with Spanish Mustangs and bred horses of varying combinations of the dun and cream gene was the first person to tell me that he likely has the dun gene.

I will believe her, someone who has witnessed my horse in person and who has decades of experience in such a thing, before I believe a bunch of strangers over the internet. My mind has been made up over the matter and is not being changed.

I want to know if anyone knows of any other horses who clip to such a color.

If you're not going to help me with that, please leave.
     
    05-02-2012, 02:16 PM
  #14
Green Broke
Bagof4grapes - Your horse is beautiful.

You've got the color experts telling you he is brown. He's brown.

Heck, if these girls told me my horse was purple, only expressing bay ... I'd probably believe them!

"Brown" has never been one of my favorite words to describe a horse color ... but it IS one of my favorite colors!
     
    05-02-2012, 02:29 PM
  #15
Weanling
"Do blacks and browns normally clip to that color??"

That statement infers that you believe your horse is either a brown or black. The color experts have advised you that he is brown. Why did you even make a post regarding this if you "know" the horse is dun? He's obviously not.

Either way, don't post questions and get annoyed when you get answers you don't want to hear. Welcome to forums.
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    05-02-2012, 02:31 PM
  #16
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Originally Posted by bagof4grapes    
My teacher from years ago, a world-renowned horsewoman who worked especially with Spanish Mustangs and bred horses of varying combinations of the dun and cream gene was the first person to tell me that he likely has the dun gene.

I will believe her, someone who has witnessed my horse in person and who has decades of experience in such a thing, before I believe a bunch of strangers over the internet. My mind has been made up over the matter and is not being changed.

I want to know if anyone knows of any other horses who clip to such a color.

If you're not going to help me with that, please leave.
Then why the heck did you ASK people about it, if you've already decided your horse is some speshul, magickal color?

As for your 'I only want people who AGREE with me to post' sentence, it's a public board, dearie. You don't get to relegate who can and can't post on your threads.

Your horse is brown. You can believe what you want, but STOP ASKING if you don't want to hear the answers!
     
    05-02-2012, 02:35 PM
  #17
Weanling
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Originally Posted by bagof4grapes    
I will believe her, someone who has witnessed my horse in person and who has decades of experience in such a thing, before I believe a bunch of strangers over the internet.
BTW you are absolutely right! I bet all these people on the forum have zero horse experience, know nothing about them, and are all fat greasy old men sent here to misinform everyone about horse coloring.
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    05-02-2012, 02:37 PM
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I bet all these people on the forum have zero horse experience, know nothing about them, and are all fat greasy old men sent here to misinform everyone about horse coloring.
Dang! I haz been found out!!!!
     
    05-02-2012, 02:50 PM
  #19
Green Broke
Bagof4grapes - Just something else to think about. Decades ago I think it was commonly believed that brown or seal brown horses were black with a "mealy" or "dun" gene. Recent genetics have proved that is not the case. (Ya'll correct me if I'm wrong..)

So your friend could be "right" in that decades ago that is what was believed. Color genetics are much more understood now than then.

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    05-02-2012, 03:53 PM
  #20
Weanling
Bagof4grapes, if your horse had the dun gene, wouldn't he be a grulla? Are you arguing that he is a very minimally expressed grulla?

I have an essay to write and feel the need to procrastinate so I thought that perhaps I could help explain a few of these colors. I found all of these pictures through Google and am using them without permission, of course. Links to where they came from below the pictures.
(I have my fingers crossed that Chiilla wont tell me I've messed the colors up too badly xD )

This is a black horse. Note that the muzzle and flanks are consistently as dark as the rest of the body.

(The Horse Guide: Black Horse Color)

This is a black horse that has faded in the sunlight.

(http://www.ultimatehorsesite.com/colors/black.html)

Here's a brown/seal brown horse. Note how the muzzle and flank are conspicuously lighter than the rest of the body. Horses of this color can be a dark black with the exception of the mealy points.

(http://www.ultimatehorsesite.com/colors/sealbrown.html)

Here's a lighter or perhaps sun bleached seal brown horse. I couldn't find a very good example of this one but I know some of the forum members have brown horses that bleach like crazy in the summer.

(Seal brown (horse) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Here's a black horse with a dun gene (aka a grulla horse.) This is the color that you are saying your horse is?

(horse colors)

For reference, a horse that I'm pretty sure is a darker grulla. See how the body color is still more of a silver shade than brown?

(this image found on the horse forum through Google. I can't find out where it came from originally)

Here's a horse that, according to the website, is a brown based dun (aka a seal brown horse with the dun gene.) They apparently look a lot like a bay based dun.

(Dun Central Station - Brown/Bay Dun Colors & Markings)

I suppose that you could argue that your horse is black with one copy of the creme gene (smokey black.) These horses are a dark choclate color but do not have any mealy points. I should note that a seal brown horse with one copy of the cream gene looks like a dark buckskin.

(Smoky black - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)


Keeping these pictures in mind, do you see why everyone has come to the conclusion that your horse is a seal brown? I'm not trying to force my opinion or anything. I just thought that being able to see for yourself what the various colors in question look like would help you to understand what everyone is talking about.

I don't know very much about what horses look like when they're clipped except that you can expect them to turn bizarre and entertaining colors. What a horse looks like when it's clipped can vary tremendously even amongst horses of the same color. The first rule of equine color genetics is that you can never tell the true color of a horse when it's clipped.

It's certainly not a bad thing that your horse is brown. That's one of my favorite colors. It's even cooler that he turns such a neat red color when he's clipped. Think about it: you could have a black horse in the spring/fall, a brown horse in the summer, and a red horse in the winter!
     

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