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post #11 of 15 Old 04-13-2013, 04:42 PM Thread Starter
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Haha yes I did riddlemethis, thank you for your input and I agree. It makes sense because we can't test for all genes yet. However based on case studies, I am confident they will discover tobiano has nothing to do with blue eyes. In almost every case I know of, blue eyes tend to test positive for an overo gene. I'm sure there are some exceptions but I suppose we can't say tobiano causes blue eyes anymore than we can say it doesn't until we can definitively test every blue eyed horse for an identifiable marker.
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I would be curious to see the results of those same horses if they were tested again for splash. Splash could very easily go unnoticed on a typical tobiano because tobiano causes high whites on the legs by itself and splash could get lost in that. Splash also causes wide blazes like the quotes describe.

But I also see tobiano, frame, and sabino in that filly.
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Thanks guys. I ask because if you hadn't noticed, this is the same woman who doesn't care about frame on frame breedings. I posted this as another example of a "potential" lethal white and got into a heated discussion with a friend and local Paint breeder as she stated I was wrong because the stallion is tobiano. I said he was blatantly showing an overo pattern due to his blaze and blue eye, as was the mare. We worked out our differences and she said she's going to brush up on genetics but is quite adamant that tobiano is the only pattern on the stud, quoting UC Davis as her source.

Unfortunately, the argument "I know color experts on an online forum" doesn't hold up as well as "this genetics websites states tobianos can have blue eyes." It's unfortunate as I respect her beyond compare as a phenomonal barrel racer and trainer and she owns an amazingly talented stallion but he is frame overo, so the risk is there if you're not adamant about mare owners testing or assuming you "know" the pattern based on misinformation or that registries know what the heck they're talking about when labelling patterns/colors. =\
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You could make a wager with her- she tests him for frame through UC Davis. If he comes back negative, you pay her double the testing fee ($25 x 2 = $50). If he comes back positive, she has to start listing him as frame positive
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Oh she knows her stallion has frame - in fact, she tested him when it was unneccessary as he blatantly displays frame as his pattern. So she would never breed him to a blatantly frame mare. But based on things like UC Davis stating tobianos can have blue eyes and face white, she would breed her stallion to a mare listed as tobiano without testing if she had blue eyes and face white which is where my concern came in with informing people of things that may or may not be correct.

The woman who owns the three horses I originially posted that sparked the discussion knows she's breeding frame to frame and doesn't care - and is even selling pregnant frame mares in foal to frame stallions without notifying potential buyers of the risk.
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