Cremello + Homozygous black = Grullo?

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Cremello + Homozygous black = Grullo?

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    09-24-2012, 02:14 PM
Cremello + Homozygous black = Grullo?

Stunning Half Arab 16.3+hh Grulla. Talented!

Just curious if this horse can actually be grullo from this cross?
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    09-24-2012, 02:17 PM
Green Broke
Not unless a parent is actually a dun. One parent must be a dun in order for an offspring to be dun. It's most likely just a sooty buckskin with countershading that looks like a dorsal stripe.
    09-24-2012, 02:22 PM
Green Broke
It would be easy for dun to 'hide' on a cremello, and possibly even on the cremello's sire and dam (even if each was only a single cream dilute). So... it is possible.

It's hard to tell from that one picture, but that horse looks potentially like a classic champagne (black + champagne). That can happen if the cremello dam was actually a pseudo-double dilute (cream + champagne instead of cream + cream, although she could also be cream + cream + champagne)

Have you seen the horse in person, or gotten other photos? I'd want to see other dun factor markings before calling that horse a grullo.

ETA- Looked up the video on YouTube, which is in a poorly lit arena so doesn't help determine if there are dun factor markings, but the video description calls him a buckskin
    09-24-2012, 04:10 PM
Green Broke
To me that horse actually looks dun
    09-24-2012, 04:32 PM
Green Broke
Whatever he is-he's a pretty young fellow!
    09-24-2012, 04:52 PM
He is a classic champagne colour probably
    09-24-2012, 10:13 PM
I wish there were more pictures. He doesn't look like he has a dorsal stripe to me and strikes me more as a brownskin rather than grullo, which is entirely possible if the cremello dam was carrying At.

However, it would also be possible for him to actually be grullo if the mare was actually a cremello dun, which would easily go unnoticed with how light that color is.
    09-24-2012, 11:25 PM
Green Broke
And the plot thickens... here's a video of him outside in the sunlight, with the comments claiming he is a silver buckskin!

I'm starting to think silver brownskin?
    09-24-2012, 11:55 PM
Interesting. Silver's biggest giveaway is white eyelashes, but I can't tell.
I would really like access to his pedigree. The "homozygous black" part deletes my thought of palomino from the way he looks in that new video.
    09-25-2012, 12:15 AM
He is sure cool looking whatever color he is!

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