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Cremello + Homozygous black = Grullo?

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    09-28-2012, 11:34 AM
Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
Is it just me or does that price seem incrediably steep for a young green National Show Horse? Are they really going for that much these days? I didn't think they had THAT much of a calling in saddleseat.
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BUT BUT BUT He is a Purty Kolor!!
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    09-28-2012, 11:49 AM
Green Broke
I forgot. Color trumps conformation and disposition every time. Silly silly me. My chestnut Arabian is worthless. =( Well actually that statement is probably true even if she was a super duper purty rare kolor. =P LOL
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    09-28-2012, 01:19 PM
Green Broke
Some people seem to think the horses they breed are worth more than they really are in reality. I almost bought a horse whose owner was like that- I would have had to immediately send the horse to a trainer for a month or two to get her to the point where she was *safe* to be handled, so I offered the owner about half what she was asking (still more than any of the trainers I had talked to said she was worth). She got all huffy saying 'She's a purebred. In a better market she'd be worth even more than what I'm asking for her!'

Whatever. In a better market, all horses would be worth more, but you're still not going to find someone willing to spend $15k on a horse that is too dangerous to complete a vet check!

ETA- That was almost a year ago, and the horse is still for sale. She even tried raising the asking price (because she had 'more training') but now the price is down below what she was asking when I looked and includes a free breeding to her stallion!
    09-30-2012, 02:07 PM
Its crazy what people are asking for in terms of their horses. For example, one breeder (local who knows this breeder) has a half freisian half saddlebred mare - nice mare no training though - for sale for 10K. She also has a half friesian half apply (that lets just say has a friesian body and an appy head and no hair at all seriously) that she's had listed for 15K then dropped to 2.5K then raised to 10K and now private treaty... I watch the website for giggles. I honestly do.

I just got a new horse myself... for a $600 adoption fee from a rescue. A killer 17hh eight year old athletic thoroughbred. I couldn't be happier and the rescue is even letting me make payments on the adoption fee. I'll never ever pay what I used to pay for horses. My first horse was a top notch half morgan half saddlebred registered american warmblood (performance) and cost me 2.5K. In todays market, that would have been insane. Did I get 2.5K worth of love out of her? Oh yea.. I still have her and we've been together for almost 20 years.

They can keep their color. Seriously. I'll go for confirmation and personality any day. I'm too old to mess with flashy stunning highstepping snorting dangerous action.
    09-30-2012, 05:03 PM
Green Broke
I couldn't agree more. Those crap random partbreds that you can snag for under a thousand can go pretty darn far if someone puts the time in. My 5 year old "Paint" (registered Paint sire, Drafty bred pinto dam) I picked up for $800 as a 2 year old and she's getting phenomonal marks in Training Level Dressage, schooling 1st Level with a goal of 3rd Level. Schooling 3'0" with ease and snappy knees. Why do I need anything more? Unless you're trying to go to the Olympics, cheap half breeds are all MOST people need! I will never spend buckets of money on a horse! A prominant coach/trainer is doing great in Preliminary Eventing on an OTTB she only bought a couple years ago.

I firmly believe that "average" horses can do a LOT more then people think, they just never get a chance. There's a reason we hear SO many stories about that champion showjumper who was bought for $500 out of a muddy pasture. Just because a horse isn't registered or purebred doesn't mean it can't have JUST as much talent! And look at how many expensive horses turn out to be total duds!!
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    10-04-2012, 10:58 AM
He's a cool color! Im thinking silver Grullo! My horse is a Grullo and I did some research on it. It's a Dun factor gene with black. Mine was genetic tested because he is really dark for a Grullo. Look at all these shades of Grullo> SHADES OF GRULLO: Silver grulla, olive, dark slate, blue, white grullo, etc.
    10-04-2012, 12:47 PM
Green Broke
Just a word of advice, reading the topic is usually a good idea. We've already figured out it's impossible for him to be grullo based on breeding alone. =)
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    10-04-2012, 05:46 PM
OK I'm confused..I read the topic but Verona said "It would be easy for dun to 'hide' on a cremello, and possibly even on the cremello's sire and dam (even if each was only a single cream dilute). So... it is possible."

It is possible for a horse to carry both dun and cream dilution genes. My gelding had to be genetic tested to know that he was Grullo. He's homozygous for black factor, carrying 2 copies of the black gene. He looks dark brown/black.

Maybe I don't know genetics as good as you. But I was just giving my opinion. You didn't have to call me out like I'm an airhead.
    10-04-2012, 06:09 PM
Actually, I was more focused on the video I saw than the ad. That horse could not be a grullo because their face has to be darker than their bodies. And his face is the same size. As far as price, they might have a high dollar on their horses to begin with, but whenever I see someone with some 17H horse, they automatically jack up the price to at least ten thousand. I guess anything is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I breed and show Jack Russells, and all the time I see misfit muts selling for $1200, and there is always some idiot that thinks because they pay a lot, that the dog is worth more.
    10-04-2012, 07:22 PM
Green Broke
He's a National Show Horse but neither Arabians nor Saddlebreds carry dun so grullo is not possible. I did not call you an airhead, nor did I imply it, I just suggested that reading the entire topic is often a good idea because we cover so many different options.
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